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Posted on 22 December 2016 - 01:12 PM

Zaptelus wrote

_Happykitten_ wrote...

NotUnsighted wrote...

_Happykitten_ wrote...

This is true, but so many unknown bugs and glitches in the awful coding of the game such as blockhitting, wtapping etc because discovered and people were actually able to become good at fighting other players while using these bugs to their advantage.

Potion PvP was the first form of player vs player in Minecraft, and takes much, much more skill than BuildUHC, this is a fact.

Here are some common examples:

A half decent/good (legit) potion player that comes to this server grinds to lets say Gold II NoDebuff. Once they've finished grinding NoDebuff, they try out BuildUHC. Having NEVER played the gamemode before, they are able to get high gold or even emerald in the kit. Now let's think about UHC players from reddit or something coming to this server. They are able to grind to maybe Gold II BuildUHC, but then they try to play NoDebuff ranked. They are barely able to reach silver II, I once saw a Diamond V rated BuildUHC player that was rated BRONZE in NoDebuff.

Why is this? Obtaining a very high rating in Build (Diamond, Masters etc) is almost IMPOSSIBLE without playing like an absolute bitch. I'm not just another salty lad that's crying that I got stuck in lava in a ranked BuildUHC match and died, I'm talking about people that drag out a ranked Minecraft match for 8 minutes because they don't want to lose their points. In NoDebuff, there are no rods, lava, water or blocks to be abused, so of course the sweaty BuildUHC players can't really do much in a kit with a sword, pearls and health potions.

This little rant doesn't account for ALL BuildUHC players, it's just the vast majority.

This is a response to each of your paragraphs:

Soup was the first form of pvp I think, correct me if i'm wrong.
No it does not take "much, much more skill then build uhc. This is not a fact. They take pretty even amounts of skill, pot pvp requires more mechanical skills, where as build requires strategy, game sense, rod skills and bow skills (I still suck with bows to this day)

This is true to an extent, its because potpvp teaches players to aim and click fast. Where as build doesn't force players to learn that as much as aim and cps arent as crucial. Good build players walk into potpvp, almost none of them past Gold III, where as most pot players can walk into build and make their way to Emerald V. because potpvp teacher players strategies that can work for both rod pvp and potpvp, where as build uhc teaches players how to rod, lava and bow, which wont help them in potpvp. I kind of agree with you here.

This is true to an extent, its because potpvp teaches players to aim and click fast. Where as build doesn't force players to learn that as much as aim and cps arent as crucial. Good build players walk into potpvp, almost none of them past Gold III, where as most pot players can walk into build and make their way to Emerald V. because potpvp teacher players strategies that can work for both rod pvp and potpvp, where as build uhc teaches players how to rod, lava and bow, which wont help them in potpvp. I kind of agree with you here.

I kind of agree with you here.

I just read the exact same paragraph twice in a row…

oops LOL

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_Happykitten_ wrote

Zaptelus wrote...

_Happykitten_ wrote...

NotUnsighted wrote...

_Happykitten_ wrote...

This is true, but so many unknown bugs and glitches in the awful coding of the game such as blockhitting, wtapping etc because discovered and people were actually able to become good at fighting other players while using these bugs to their advantage.

Potion PvP was the first form of player vs player in Minecraft, and takes much, much more skill than BuildUHC, this is a fact.

Here are some common examples:

A half decent/good (legit) potion player that comes to this server grinds to lets say Gold II NoDebuff. Once they've finished grinding NoDebuff, they try out BuildUHC. Having NEVER played the gamemode before, they are able to get high gold or even emerald in the kit. Now let's think about UHC players from reddit or something coming to this server. They are able to grind to maybe Gold II BuildUHC, but then they try to play NoDebuff ranked. They are barely able to reach silver II, I once saw a Diamond V rated BuildUHC player that was rated BRONZE in NoDebuff.

Why is this? Obtaining a very high rating in Build (Diamond, Masters etc) is almost IMPOSSIBLE without playing like an absolute bitch. I'm not just another salty lad that's crying that I got stuck in lava in a ranked BuildUHC match and died, I'm talking about people that drag out a ranked Minecraft match for 8 minutes because they don't want to lose their points. In NoDebuff, there are no rods, lava, water or blocks to be abused, so of course the sweaty BuildUHC players can't really do much in a kit with a sword, pearls and health potions.

This little rant doesn't account for ALL BuildUHC players, it's just the vast majority.

This is a response to each of your paragraphs:

Soup was the first form of pvp I think, correct me if i'm wrong.
No it does not take "much, much more skill then build uhc. This is not a fact. They take pretty even amounts of skill, pot pvp requires more mechanical skills, where as build requires strategy, game sense, rod skills and bow skills (I still suck with bows to this day)

This is true to an extent, its because potpvp teaches players to aim and click fast. Where as build doesn't force players to learn that as much as aim and cps arent as crucial. Good build players walk into potpvp, almost none of them past Gold III, where as most pot players can walk into build and make their way to Emerald V. because potpvp teacher players strategies that can work for both rod pvp and potpvp, where as build uhc teaches players how to rod, lava and bow, which wont help them in potpvp. I kind of agree with you here.

This is true to an extent, its because potpvp teaches players to aim and click fast. Where as build doesn't force players to learn that as much as aim and cps arent as crucial. Good build players walk into potpvp, almost none of them past Gold III, where as most pot players can walk into build and make their way to Emerald V. because potpvp teacher players strategies that can work for both rod pvp and potpvp, where as build uhc teaches players how to rod, lava and bow, which wont help them in potpvp. I kind of agree with you here.

I kind of agree with you here.

I just read the exact same paragraph twice in a row…

Oh, didn't realise i copy an pasted that twice lol

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Posted on 22 December 2016 - 01:17 PM

Zaptelus wrote

_Happykitten_ wrote...

Zaptelus wrote...

_Happykitten_ wrote...

NotUnsighted wrote...

_Happykitten_ wrote...

This is true, but so many unknown bugs and glitches in the awful coding of the game such as blockhitting, wtapping etc because discovered and people were actually able to become good at fighting other players while using these bugs to their advantage.

Potion PvP was the first form of player vs player in Minecraft, and takes much, much more skill than BuildUHC, this is a fact.

Here are some common examples:

A half decent/good (legit) potion player that comes to this server grinds to lets say Gold II NoDebuff. Once they've finished grinding NoDebuff, they try out BuildUHC. Having NEVER played the gamemode before, they are able to get high gold or even emerald in the kit. Now let's think about UHC players from reddit or something coming to this server. They are able to grind to maybe Gold II BuildUHC, but then they try to play NoDebuff ranked. They are barely able to reach silver II, I once saw a Diamond V rated BuildUHC player that was rated BRONZE in NoDebuff.

Why is this? Obtaining a very high rating in Build (Diamond, Masters etc) is almost IMPOSSIBLE without playing like an absolute bitch. I'm not just another salty lad that's crying that I got stuck in lava in a ranked BuildUHC match and died, I'm talking about people that drag out a ranked Minecraft match for 8 minutes because they don't want to lose their points. In NoDebuff, there are no rods, lava, water or blocks to be abused, so of course the sweaty BuildUHC players can't really do much in a kit with a sword, pearls and health potions.

This little rant doesn't account for ALL BuildUHC players, it's just the vast majority.

This is a response to each of your paragraphs:

Soup was the first form of pvp I think, correct me if i'm wrong.
No it does not take "much, much more skill then build uhc. This is not a fact. They take pretty even amounts of skill, pot pvp requires more mechanical skills, where as build requires strategy, game sense, rod skills and bow skills (I still suck with bows to this day)

This is true to an extent, its because potpvp teaches players to aim and click fast. Where as build doesn't force players to learn that as much as aim and cps arent as crucial. Good build players walk into potpvp, almost none of them past Gold III, where as most pot players can walk into build and make their way to Emerald V. because potpvp teacher players strategies that can work for both rod pvp and potpvp, where as build uhc teaches players how to rod, lava and bow, which wont help them in potpvp. I kind of agree with you here.

This is true to an extent, its because potpvp teaches players to aim and click fast. Where as build doesn't force players to learn that as much as aim and cps arent as crucial. Good build players walk into potpvp, almost none of them past Gold III, where as most pot players can walk into build and make their way to Emerald V. because potpvp teacher players strategies that can work for both rod pvp and potpvp, where as build uhc teaches players how to rod, lava and bow, which wont help them in potpvp. I kind of agree with you here.

I kind of agree with you here.

I just read the exact same paragraph twice in a row…

/quote is weird to use, fucked it up that time lol

and you quoted yourself three times Lol

im actually retarted I swear

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Posted on 22 December 2016 - 01:25 PM

Zaptelus wrote

_Happykitten_ wrote...

Zaptelus wrote...

_Happykitten_ wrote...

Zaptelus wrote...

_Happykitten_ wrote...

NotUnsighted wrote...

_Happykitten_ wrote...

This is true, but so many unknown bugs and glitches in the awful coding of the game such as blockhitting, wtapping etc because discovered and people were actually able to become good at fighting other players while using these bugs to their advantage.

Potion PvP was the first form of player vs player in Minecraft, and takes much, much more skill than BuildUHC, this is a fact.

Here are some common examples:

A half decent/good (legit) potion player that comes to this server grinds to lets say Gold II NoDebuff. Once they've finished grinding NoDebuff, they try out BuildUHC. Having NEVER played the gamemode before, they are able to get high gold or even emerald in the kit. Now let's think about UHC players from reddit or something coming to this server. They are able to grind to maybe Gold II BuildUHC, but then they try to play NoDebuff ranked. They are barely able to reach silver II, I once saw a Diamond V rated BuildUHC player that was rated BRONZE in NoDebuff.

Why is this? Obtaining a very high rating in Build (Diamond, Masters etc) is almost IMPOSSIBLE without playing like an absolute bitch. I'm not just another salty lad that's crying that I got stuck in lava in a ranked BuildUHC match and died, I'm talking about people that drag out a ranked Minecraft match for 8 minutes because they don't want to lose their points. In NoDebuff, there are no rods, lava, water or blocks to be abused, so of course the sweaty BuildUHC players can't really do much in a kit with a sword, pearls and health potions.

This little rant doesn't account for ALL BuildUHC players, it's just the vast majority.

This is a response to each of your paragraphs:

Soup was the first form of pvp I think, correct me if i'm wrong.
No it does not take "much, much more skill then build uhc. This is not a fact. They take pretty even amounts of skill, pot pvp requires more mechanical skills, where as build requires strategy, game sense, rod skills and bow skills (I still suck with bows to this day)

This is true to an extent, its because potpvp teaches players to aim and click fast. Where as build doesn't force players to learn that as much as aim and cps arent as crucial. Good build players walk into potpvp, almost none of them past Gold III, where as most pot players can walk into build and make their way to Emerald V. because potpvp teacher players strategies that can work for both rod pvp and potpvp, where as build uhc teaches players how to rod, lava and bow, which wont help them in potpvp. I kind of agree with you here.

This is true to an extent, its because potpvp teaches players to aim and click fast. Where as build doesn't force players to learn that as much as aim and cps arent as crucial. Good build players walk into potpvp, almost none of them past Gold III, where as most pot players can walk into build and make their way to Emerald V. because potpvp teacher players strategies that can work for both rod pvp and potpvp, where as build uhc teaches players how to rod, lava and bow, which wont help them in potpvp. I kind of agree with you here.

I kind of agree with you here.

I just read the exact same paragraph twice in a row…

/quote is weird to use, fucked it up that time lol

and you quoted yourself three times Lol

im actually retarted I swear

LOL "RETARTED"

Don't worry everyone gets these moments as well xD

well its 2:23am here in Western Australia and I haven't slept yet so I'm a bit tired, thats my excuse xddd

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Posted on 22 December 2016 - 04:18 PM

_Happykitten_ wrote

NotUnsighted wrote...

_Happykitten_ wrote...

This is true, but so many unknown bugs and glitches in the awful coding of the game such as blockhitting, wtapping etc because discovered and people were actually able to become good at fighting other players while using these bugs to their advantage.

Potion PvP was the first form of player vs player in Minecraft, and takes much, much more skill than BuildUHC, this is a fact.

Here are some common examples:

A half decent/good (legit) potion player that comes to this server grinds to lets say Gold II NoDebuff. Once they've finished grinding NoDebuff, they try out BuildUHC. Having NEVER played the gamemode before, they are able to get high gold or even emerald in the kit. Now let's think about UHC players from reddit or something coming to this server. They are able to grind to maybe Gold II BuildUHC, but then they try to play NoDebuff ranked. They are barely able to reach silver II, I once saw a Diamond V rated BuildUHC player that was rated BRONZE in NoDebuff.

Why is this? Obtaining a very high rating in Build (Diamond, Masters etc) is almost IMPOSSIBLE without playing like an absolute bitch. I'm not just another salty lad that's crying that I got stuck in lava in a ranked BuildUHC match and died, I'm talking about people that drag out a ranked Minecraft match for 8 minutes because they don't want to lose their points. In NoDebuff, there are no rods, lava, water or blocks to be abused, so of course the sweaty BuildUHC players can't really do much in a kit with a sword, pearls and health potions.

This little rant doesn't account for ALL BuildUHC players, it's just the vast majority.

This is a response to each of your paragraphs:

Soup was the first form of pvp I think, correct me if i'm wrong.
No it does not take "much, much more skill then build uhc. This is not a fact. They take pretty even amounts of skill, pot pvp requires more mechanical skills, where as build requires strategy, game sense, rod skills and bow skills (I still suck with bows to this day)

This is true to an extent, its because potpvp teaches players to aim and click fast. Where as build doesn't force players to learn that as much as aim and cps arent as crucial. Good build players walk into potpvp, almost none of them past Gold III, where as most pot players can walk into build and make their way to Emerald V. because potpvp teacher players strategies that can work for both rod pvp and potpvp, where as build uhc teaches players how to rod, lava and bow, which wont help them in potpvp. I kind of agree with you here.

pretty sure the first form of pvp was two kids punching the shit out of each other in survival

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Posted on 22 December 2016 - 08:36 PM

In my opinion PotPvP takes more skill then BuildUHC in arena. But Hosted UHC takes more skill then HCF. In pot you have to conserve your pots and have good aim to make sure the pots land on you and in uhc all you have to do is hold right click and chug

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NaomiBliss wrote

Pot PvP and gapple are the only real PvP modes. Fishing rods were never meant for PvP.

Then why is BuildUHC so popular…

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Posted on 23 December 2016 - 08:52 AM

TheDerpNation wrote

NaomiBliss wrote...

Then why is BuildUHC so popular…

because its easier to play like a bitch

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Posted on 23 December 2016 - 09:30 AM

TheDerpNation wrote

NaomiBliss wrote...

Then why is BuildUHC so popular…

Because skill is not necessarily needed to win fights in BuildUHC. Look at people like SuchSpeed - absolutely useless when it comes to other gamemodes. In ranked BuildUHC fights, he is well known for camping and playing like an absolute bitch, not unexpected for someone that sweats a kit that includes a bow, 64 arrows, blocks, lava, water and a rod. In season 12, he was 2400 in BuildUHC and 1200 in NoDebuff, apart from being 1700 in SG pretty much all of his other kits were at 1300-1400.

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