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Badlion needs a change.

KarliXon wrote

Powahfull wrote...



I think you can turn off weather not sure if that works
Only works in unranked i tried :/
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and you are wasting your life on this
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I wish the new sg was like sg 1.0
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I'm guessing you spammed "+1 this thread" in all the chats you're in
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Jinxful wrote

I'm guessing you spammed "+1 this thread" in all the chats you're in

Nope
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Honestly if Badlion wants 10k players again bring back elo, like hello look at the amount of players who stopped playing. At this point Badlion is fucking itself over and wont listen to the community. But then admins will say "Oh more people prefer MMR over ELO" well not to sound rude but obviously fucking not if the playerbase is way below than what it has been in the past with elo.
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Ignoring everything above these since you can't be assed to format it nicely, I can't be assed to read it giving me a headache.

KarliXon wrote

- Bring back ELO and remove the MMR system

Nope, until you can provide scientific proof and game precedent from other places where ELO is better than MMR, then the answer is no. There are hundreds of research papers and every game company telling you why you are wrong and I am right, and none saying the opposite, all of which are smarter. End of discussion

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- Make the queing system instant/expand way faster than S14(this is for archybot, you always say how we badlion players complain about long queues and how you wait in queues for like 15+ minutes for games but do Badlion ranked matches last 30+ minutes like Heroes of the storm or overwatch?)
First of all, it already expands like 2 tiers every 3 seconds, starting with like 5 tiers at the beginning, to the point at 30 seconds it just matches anyone I believe. Secondly, I spend 2x more in queue/pre-game/post-game then I do in game in that other game.

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- Make everything one lobby again

Yeah I can support 2k players in a single lobby no problem.

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- Add staff online to the tab list

No, you can use the report systems in place like everyone else, you are not special.

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- If you are keeping MMR atleast make it so when you join an actual match you can see your rating in numbers aswell(0-1000) and not have it just as Emerald V for example

Sure

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- Remove Horse and add back kits like IronBuild and Skywars(yes skywars doesn't seem competitive and seems luck based but it had skill involved in it like fast building, IronBuild wasn't just Build v2 without any lava, it was a scenario you would be in at a start of the UHC battle phase/after a kill or two)

Sure to the horse, no to the others.

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- Add back the dark blue name (just a personal wish, imo it was pretty cool)

No

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- Remove the punch 2 enchant from the bow in vanilla and remove fishing rods for the kit
- Make it so you can't have more than 2 stacks of enderpearls in pot kits to get rid of people running out buffs/running

I'm removing vanilla so these suggestions are useless.

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- Remove 16 arrows from BuildUHC and maybe one lava bucket( I swear I will get so much hate for this but idrc, had to be said)

I'm altering the arrow count, not touching the lava bucket.

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- Make the lobby more simple and more FPS-friendly

This has got to be one of the biggest crybaby thing ever seen - MAI FPS IS BAD WHEN ALL I DO IS CLICK ITEMS IN A HOTBAR.

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- Make it so you can't leave the server when it says: ranked match found someone vs someone so you can't manipulate ranked games anymore
Most staff members who I know have left/abandoned Season 14 because of the changes which occured - less staff members meaning less hackers being banned meaning more angry players who lose to hackers meaning more people quitting

And they won't be welcomed back once it's fixed.

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- More staff members/more experienced staff members which can detect what a hack is quicker
- Host more games rather than over-filling one game and making it lag for 30 minutes

It's one or the other, can't have both. Either less but more qualified better staff, or more staff but not as good.

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- Less FPS-intensive anticheat tehnique(anti xray)

Most of the FPS lag is because of you, your texture pack, and your settings. I notice no difference going from 60 fps No AC to 58 fps on my shitty computer, or 120 to 120 on my good computer. However, since changing settings is too hard (which you keep praising how you are mr competitive, well guess what competitive players in other games turn their game settings down either low or to the bare minimum, ie no one plays ultra high at a LAN) I'll be making edits to it, which makes cheating easier. Sucks doesn't it.

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- Remove only FFA Games
- Add back FFA and to2 queues so players can choose what to play instead of being killed by a team of 2 in an FFA game

No, SG has been seeing higher numbers not seen since before 2016, and is growing in a gamemode that is completely and utterly dying everywhere else.

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- Make it so you don't lose so much MMR after losing a single game and not getting as much after winning

Sucks, this is how FFA systems work when you are at the top. You praise ELO so much because it rewards consistancy in your eyes: here's your consistency - Don't lose. You realize how fucking stupid you look making the ELO argument in Arena, but then complaining about the exact thing you are suggesting in another gamemode.

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- Remove the thing where every player is "riding" before the game starts - completely fucks over togglesneak sprint and makes you get to a chest after regular players

So what you are saying is ToggleSneak gave you an unfair advantage before the freeze API went live. Maybe I should investigate because if that's the case, I should be blocking it.

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- Reduce the amount of flame weapons, maybe even remove flame bows completely
- Reduce the amount of fire res potions aswell

You realize this makes fire more OP right? I have to find the perfect balance before I touch any of this, which I am currently back to working on since I'm home from PAX.

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- Make the items despawn after some time for better FPS

Maybe

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- Decrease the enchant levels(prot and sharp) - some final fights are like 3/4 prot IV and Sharp 4/5 which would never be seen in a regular UHC - https://youtu.be/Ouc477EKRDU?t=9m14s <— Example

Yeah I'll be doing this in it's next idea.

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- Make the lava buckets dissapear after some time maybe?

No

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There has been around 5 months since these changes and I still see people complaining, here's a few examples of threads getting insane support from the community but getting denied/locked by the owners:
https://www.badlion.net/forum/thread/130375 - one of my threads which has gotten so much support
https://www.badlion.net/forum/thread/146102 - Haris's thread
https://www.badlion.net/forum/thread/130798 - Another one of Haris' threads
There was a strawpoll posted in all of the biggest clans' chats and on twitter to see if people prefer MMR or ELO and ELO was winning by 86% with the strawpoll having around 900 votes
A video has been made about this topic by Hivlik:


I saw some known players/youtubers complaining on twitter how bad this new MMR system is
There has been endless threads about this but from what I saw none of them had a suggestions thing to improve everything wrong at the moment
Some of the people who I think could add up to this/have a quality response
@Hivlik
@Unwise
@Haris
Feel free to tag more people and make sure to read through all of this before just saying -1 or +1
I'm open about any constructive criticism aswell so if you have something to say just simply reply to this thread with it.


Yet none of these people have provided anything other then I feel attitudes, and none of them are writing research papers on MMR vs ELO, and none of them are even in university for a field that would be knowledgeable in this topic, yet I should listen to them over all this research that has been done in it and over 25 years of gaming precedent. Any game that started with ELO has moved onto MMR - no game has ever gone from MMR back to ELO. Even chess is slowly moving over to different algorithms beside ELO.

Topic is closed, and any topic I see about ELO over MMR without some hard scientific evidence and/or actual proof that ELO is better than MMR will be closed. Done with this argument and you're wasting my time better spent on other shit. I will not step backwards to an inferior system because some crybabies like it more because they are too set in their ways.

I'll finish this with what I was told -> If you can do it better and you are so much more correct than me, then go do it and prove me wrong. The servers that told me this are now literally dead or nothing more then a 10% fraction of their former self.

I'll give you a hint, if you think I should cater only to the ultra competitive, it results in S13 KB, and a whole list of other failed projects on BL, such as factions, SG2 (seperating the queues), switching to queues in general instead of staying with wools, etc. For every ultra competitive person, there are 250 casuals that do more for the health of the server such as bringing more players, providing player counts in game modes other than BuildUHC, supporting the server financially, supporting the streamers/content producers making their content show, etc. The ultra competitive community only cares about what they want to make them look better, not whats better for the server/community, and MMR makes the majority of you look worse.
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