Posted on 31 December 2015 - 02:01 AM
SmellyPenguin wrote
I still see a difference between somebody clicking a left mouse button with two fingers rather than two people clicking different mice. If you don't… I don't know what to do for you…
Unrelated, but fun fact:
This video gave me the idea for butterfly clicking.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 03:04 AM
*finger presses button once**registers as multiple clicks*
Oh you're right that's totally a legitimate way of clicking. It doesn't matter if anyone can do it. Anyone can download a doubleclicker and that's not allowed either.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 03:07 AM
HalfCreeper wrote
*registers as multiple clicks*
Oh you're right that's totally a legitimate way of clicking. It doesn't matter if anyone can do it. Anyone can download a doubleclicker and that's not allowed either.
You are actually clicking the button to click twice when butterfly clicking. Please do more research on this.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 03:08 AM
No anti cheat is flawless, there will always be something or someone who can BYPASS it. Which leads to my absolute opinion of some glitches in the system. Something flagging these players or banning them. It seems like most kohi players are suspect though, I dont get it.Posted on 31 December 2015 - 03:21 AM
SonicHD13 wrote
HalfCreeper wrote...
You are actually clicking the button to click twice when butterfly clicking. Please do more research on this.
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Posted on 31 December 2015 - 03:27 AM
SonicHD13 wrote
HalfCreeper wrote...
You are actually clicking the button to click twice when butterfly clicking. Please do more research on this.
Research complete.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 03:40 AM
Looks at your punishment history.I have no idea why someone like you would want to know more about GCheat
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 04:05 AM
SonicHD13 wrote
Saimo wrote...
Yes, I did know that. Kohi players will come to Badlion and get banned almost instantly, and they are phenominal Pvp'ers. Please explain this, other then the classic answer "Denied, you were cheating". (Refrencing the appeals)
Those "phenomenal Pvp'ers" either cheat purposely to get banned or regularly cheated in the first place. Despite what you think administration actually looks to see if anything was fishy in the ban, not just insta deny it.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 04:05 AM
HalfCreeper wrote
SonicHD13 wrote...
Research complete.
/thread
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 05:15 AM
'General rule is one button, one finger, one click.' Therefore, butterfly clicking isn't allowed. If you don't like the rules, don't play, go back to Kohi.Posted on 31 December 2015 - 07:43 AM
Hivlik wrote
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 08:04 AM
ComboDombo wrote
The problem is how gcheat is portrayed, everyone thinks that if you were banned by gcheat, you were hacking. Even you and everyone else who saw when I got banned by gcheat thought I was a cheater and they didn't even know I wasn't pvping at the time lol
Last edited on 31 December 2015 - 09:00 AM by minneapolis_PC
I know for an absolute FACT that GCheat false bans. A while ago I was watching my younger brother play badlion, keep in mind he was barely 11 and has never installed any sort of Hacked client or macros in his life. He went into an unranked MCSG match and got banned for '[GCheat] Autoclicker.' He clicks 5 CPS. The pattern detection part of the anticheat needs to be worked on in my opinion. My main account (Unsighted) is currently banned because I butterfly clicked 15 CPS and got banned. Fair enough. But having a false ban on your Badlion profile can ruin a reputation, I believe GloryBlade, DJThread and MAYBE stimpy were false banned by GCheat, just my opinion, and that took a toll on their reputation. It isn't just affecting the reputation of the known players, it is also affecting the reputation of the server. When a known player gets false banned, they often take to their channels and streams and bad mouth GCheat and the server.Last edited on 31 December 2015 - 10:36 AM by Badware
HalfCreeper wrote
Lol that's my video. I made it a long time ago, long before I actually knew how butterfly clicking worked. That was so I could get unbanned from Kohi (since I got false banned there as well), and Kohi actually did unban me for it. EG: It's inaccurate, and I don't appreciate you using it like that. (and now it's private so you can't!1!!!!11!!!)
RealSportsFan wrote
"General rule discussion is still allowed as long as it's not centered on a single case of a punished person." + This rule was put into place after I got banned for butterfly clicking. That should say enough about the rule.
Nicosby wrote
Hivlik wrote...
Keep in mind that mice don't create hit packets, that is completely up to the minecraft client. The "one finger, one click, one input, one output" rule was put into place BECAUSE of the false bans that butterfly clicking causes. What is happening when you butterfly click is VERY different.
Here is a diagram (paint skillz)

Basically, the logic that Badlion has is that you shouldn't allow butterfly clicking because you can get two clicks from one action, and I fully disagree simply because you have to adjust your clicking style, learn to aim all over again, and actually have to physically press the mouse - physically DO the action that causes the clicking to occur.
To dismiss this as a 'bug' is to do the same as say that jitterclicking on the razer deathadder is bannable because the lmb requires less force to depress than other mice.
[EDIT] Funny thing, 90% of the people saying butterfly clicking is bad are staff. Weird, isn't it?
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 10:56 AM
SonicHD13 wrote
Saimo wrote...
Yes, I did know that. Kohi players will come to Badlion and get banned almost instantly, and they are phenominal Pvp'ers. Please explain this, other then the classic answer "Denied, you were cheating". (Refrencing the appeals)
There are also many appeals that get accepted and they agree they made a mistake. Such as verilliums and many more if I take time to look through appeals
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 11:14 AM
What Hivlik said is really clear and I suggest you read that again. And honestly, why would people need to get this kind of cheap advantage anyways? I mean, play the game as it is and stop trying to find new and stupid tricks to make pvp simpler. And stop with the "xdxd im cool look at me this is a competitive game pls aloud it plz" or "u actualy need skillz to do it properly xdxd" or "ever1 can do it xdxd" etc arguments. It is obviously a stupid, cheap advantage we do not need. People can get fucking 20+ cps with it, how would it be okay? Seriously?! Do you even try to have fun or are you all about elo, strafes, combos and rodrodrod? I understand Badlion is a competitive-pvp server, I understand competitiveness will bring up new ways to pvp, but I will never understand why you think all you actually need to pvp is this stupidly high CPS. Why can't you just use your own actual skills, instead of trying to bring up stupid points for such a ridiculous trick. Why? It isn't allowed, people do it and get banned and then they complain! It is not our fault if some people are a bit too stupid to not fully understand the rules. It is not allowed. Period.When you are Butterfly clicking, the "second" click actually creates two click packets. Which means you are possibly getting an extra hit.
Badware wrote
So fun. No it isn't weird at all. People with just a little bit of common sense and who are actually willing to think about this for more tham just 1 min, think it shouldn't be allowed. Also, as staff members, we are obviously against these stupid,cheap and unfair kind of tricks.
Deal with it. You all won't get 20+ cps on Badlion. I'm 99% sure you can deal with it, or at least I hope so.
Oh, please don't try to bring up the When-butterfly-clicking-I-can't-get-past-12cps argument. That'd be kinda immature. Maybe you can't,but many others can. Keep this in mind.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 11:26 AM
I've always wondered, no matter how fast i butterfly click, i can't get past 9 cps, would the amount of clicks be different from mouse to mouse?Posted on 31 December 2015 - 11:35 AM
Savagebaut wrote
I get the same idk if its different. Most likely is though
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 12:13 PM
Archybot wrote
I have no idea why someone like you would want to know more about GCheat
It has banned me once on this account and that was a legit ban, but I strongly believe I have been false banned on my other account.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 12:16 PM
Nicosby wrote
When you are Butterfly clicking, the "second" click actually creates two click packets. Which means you are possibly getting an extra hit.
Badware wrote...
So fun. No it isn't weird at all. People with just a little bit of common sense and who are actually willing to think about this for more tham just 1 min, think it shouldn't be allowed. Also, as staff members, we are obviously against these stupid,cheap and unfair kind of tricks.
Deal with it. You all won't get 20+ cps on Badlion. I'm 99% sure you can deal with it, or at least I hope so.
Oh, please don't try to bring up the When-butterfly-clicking-I-can't-get-past-12cps argument. That'd be kinda immature. Maybe you can't,but many others can. Keep this in mind.
Sorry to kind of break your argument here. You are trying to argue that butterfly clicking makes the game less fun! It makes the came so much more enjoyable and let's me PvP for hours! My arm dosesn't hurt after doing it like it would if I jitter clicked. Butterfly clicking is the futute, sorry.