Last edited on 18 March 2016 - 01:52 PM by MasterGberry

Hey everyone. So we have been very hard at work for the past 2 weeks trying to get our network ready for 1.9. This has taken a lot more work than we originally had planned on because of some poor design decisions with 1.7. As a result we had to go back and redo a lot of our work. Not to mention supporting 1.7/1.8/1.9 has proved to be quite difficult with some of our advanced features such as the tab list. Nevertheless we have prevailed \o/

So, before I start reading "Omg 1.9 sucks.", "Omg Badlion is dead", "Omg what the fuck are you doing!?" and other stupid comments in this thread take a few moment's to actually READ the thread before you act like an idiot in it.

Badlion's 1.9 is not default vanilla 1.9

I repeat

Badlion's 1.9 is not default vanilla 1.9

The following balance changes have been made (subject to change):

Change: Attack speed of all swords/axes have been modified from 0.8-1.6 dps to 7.0 dps (7 attacks [full swings] per second)

Reasoning: The attack speed in 1.9 is slow…like way too slow…like turtle slow. No idea who's idea it was to make attacks have a charge with such a slow damn time. We think the idea of the charged attack is cool. It helps defeat things like autoclickers and triggerbots because if you attack too fast you get punished. This game should NOT be based on how fast you can click a mouse. If you compare an eSport to any real sport it is based on the player's performance. Not the hardware they have. Some mice can be clicked faster than others. This gives an unfair advantage to people who have shittier hardware. As a result we have changed the attack speed to something that is humanly possible without jitter clicking, butterfly clicking, or using any third party help. Also make sure to remember that in Minecraft you can only attack the same entity (player) twice a second. All other attacks are simply ignored during the 500 ms wait period.

Change: Sweep Attack has been reworked. Instead of now being every time your sword charge is full you need to crouch in order use the sweep attack. In addition there is a three second cooldown.

Reasoning: The sweep attack is a nice option for fighting. It gives you the option to attack/knockback multiple opponents at once. This could be a good opener to splash a little bit of AoE (Area of Effect) damage onto the opponents or used as a retreat option when trying to run away from people. The issue is that since we changed the attack speed of the default weapons, you pretty much always are sweep attacking since the charge up time for the weapons is a lot faster. As a result we have decided to make it a cool secondary ability which you activate by crouching and attacking. (We will add a sound to let you know that the cooldown is up in a later patch).

Change: Fishing rods are reverted to 1.7 behavior (in vanilla 1.9 you cannot attack players with a Fishing rod).

Reasoning: As much as I hate fishing rods, they have played a very important part in breaking combos. Now that block hitting is no longer a part of the game you still need an option in order to break combos or apply some extra knockback to someone as you are trying to retreat. As a result we have reverted the fishing rod behavior to 1.7 behavior where the fishing rod can hit an enemy opponent.

Change: Shields now reduce arrow damage (33% of original damage) instead of just cancelling it.

Reasoning: If you attack someone who is using a shield the damage is reduced from 100% -> 33% in vanilla 1.9 Minecraft. If someone shoots an arrow at the shield the damage goes from 100% -> 0%. While in theory this does make sense, it doesn't make for good gameplay in Minecraft. As a result we have modified the shield damage from arrows to be 33% of the original damage just like swords/axes when blocking with a shield.

Change: Critical attacks have been modified in 1.9 behavior. We have no intention of changing them.

Reasoning: The system of critical attacks in 1.7 is really silly and stupid. You accidentally are applying critical damage throughout your fight since you just have to be in the air in order to attack critically. In 1.9 they added an extra condition to critical attacks. You have to not be sprinting. This makes more sense in reality since you would have to focus more energy on the attack which means you would probably not be running. This also adds another skill factor to the game. Players who can properly 'W' tap (instead of toggle sprinting) will be able to take advantage of the new critical system and might be able to apply some extra damage.

Change: Armor has been reverted to 1.7 behavior (in vanilla 1.9 the armor has been nerfed…a lot)

Reasoning: Flat out Mojang made armor way too weak for a serious PvP environment. When we were testing the gameplay out people were dying way too fast. As a result we reverted the armor behavior back to 1.7 behavior in order to keep a more consistent gameplay transition for people moving from 1.7 to 1.9 slowly.

Change: Axe Damage has been reduced from vanilla 1.9 damage.

Reasoning: Since we increased the attack speed of the axes, the damage had to be reduced in order to make swords the main go to weapon still. For those of you who are not familiar with the 1.9 changes, if you attack someone who is using a shield with an axe, the shield is disabled for 5 seconds. This allows a great opportunity to smash on some extra damage that they cannot block. (Remember blocking reduces damage to 33% of the original attack).

Conclusion

@Archybot and I both personally feel that Badlion's 1.9 will be the future of Minecraft PvP. We have spent time looking at the things that made 1.7 PvP good as well as the things that have made 1.7 PvP bad. We have done our best to properly balance this new update for a PvP community (which is what Badlion has always been based around). We are hoping that everyone here takes the time to read the patch notes for Badlion 1.9, and takes some time to come onto the new Badlion 1.9 ArenaPvP servers (which come out tomorrow) and try it out. We think that you will all find very fast that Badlion 1.9 has a higher skill cap than Badlion 1.7 and that the gameplay doesn't feel too different from before.

Also please keep in mind that we will be tweaking and balancing things still slowly (weapons/armor, knockback, hit angles, etc) over the next week or so. Once we have finalized our balance changes to 1.9 we will be publishing a plugin or a Spigot patch for people to use in order to emulate Badlion 1.9's PvP mechanics.

That's it for now guys. Feel free to discuss the patch notes below and give us your feedback on how amazing of a job we did for fixing Minecraft 1.9 PvP.

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 01:56 PM

Can't wait!

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 01:58 PM

Amazing work

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 02:01 PM

THIS SOUNDS GREAT!!

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 02:02 PM

Probably the best way to keep up PvP in Minecraft 1.9

Good work

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 02:03 PM

I actually liked vanilla 1.9 PvP, I think we should have a "Vanilla 1.9" kit with vanilla cooldowns etc.

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 02:06 PM

Part of me just died on the inside. I don't even like playing Minecraft, and I swear I might have to go to the hospital soon to make sure I didn't acquire cancer while fixing it. I legitimately do not understand how you can like the 1.9 Vanilla PvP…at all lol. Sorry being honest and open here. You are entitled to your opinion of course ^.^

At the moment we do not plan to support "Vanilla 1.9" in any way shape or form.

Last edited on 18 March 2016 - 02:11 PM by SaturnHotStepMom

Will we have to download it to play badlion?
Will it check our .minecraft files?
Will it be like a anticheat for example esl wire?
or will it just be some changes to the file and if you don't have the changes you won't be able to join the server?
Please, explain more about this.
@MasterGberry

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 02:12 PM

I just thought it'd be cool to have a "vanilla 1.9" kit just for the sake of trying the new pvp system in 1v1s, parties etc. I really appreciate your work, though. I suppose trying to make it less "hitler" was really, really hard and I really hope this will become popular quickly. Nothing against your work Master ^^

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 02:12 PM

what the fuck are you guys doing! omg 1.9 sucks, badlion is dead!

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 02:20 PM

This is amazing. Seriously, thank you guys so much for this. This is everything I wanted (and expected) 1.9 to be.

"@Archybot and I both personally feel that Badlion's 1.9 will be the future of Minecraft PvP."

This statement in particular makes me really excited for the future. 1.8 brought many good things to minecraft but the main thing bothering most people was the hit detection. I've always said 1.9's hit detection is much more similar to 1.7 and with the correct changes (the ones you've made), it could easily replace 1.7 if people were open enough to it.

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 02:20 PM

LOL

Last edited on 18 March 2016 - 02:24 PM by TyMySh0e32

Also, huge thanks to Gberry, Archy, Ginie, Smelly, and whoever else had anything to do with the development of this.

HYPE

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 02:22 PM

damn aymbaut! back at it again with the edgy banter!

Last edited on 18 March 2016 - 02:42 PM by Saevar2000

It's a plugin/patch for servers not clients
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I really like the idea behind the Sweep Attack.
I tested 1.9 Vanilla, it's shit. You are literally only trading hits. Thanks for taking the time to change it :)
I wish there was a public test server… :/

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 02:30 PM

Godlike work!
Now i want to make a wish.
Normal kb like other servers…?

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 02:30 PM

Godlike work!
Now i want to make a wish.
Normal kb like other servers…?

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 02:46 PM

No more jitter clicking? Danteh had a good run

Last edited on 18 March 2016 - 02:47 PM by antrelial

Thanks for your hard work! It's great to see what you were able to achieve


(3 versions on a single server holy shit gg badlion)

Posted on 18 March 2016 - 03:10 PM

The temptation to set your post count to 0 is more damage than any ban I could give you is there…