Last edited on 23 July 2016 - 09:47 AM by UVpickles

There has been WAY too much hate on S13. I don't blame them. Certain gamemodes that some of us enjoyed got removed for, what seems to me, as no reason at all. I used to play Badlion 24/7, but now I barely come on because Arena PvP transformed into this kind of gamemode where your stuck in the lobby for minutes waiting to get in game only to be greeted by a laggy server that has WAY too many bugs and glitches where it makes the game almost unplayable. BUT, I do not want to just sit here and hate. I want to provide a solution to the problem because I don't want it to seem like this is a hate post. Also, I feel that if some other PvP servers are released soon, then Badlion will have way less players and then end up with the server being less popular, so the server will be making less money. So, it may be profitable to just let Kohi be its own server. But, there may still be a way for Badlion and Kohi players to still enjoy the game while the servers are merged.

Here's my plan (please do note I don't have any experiencing with this kind of stuff on the administrative level so it may be flawed, but I am open to revision)

1) Separate Kohi and Badlion

This can be done by making Kohi its own server, or keeping the old Kohi game modes such as practice in the places you can warp so people don't have to connect to arena PvP (because arena PvP is not even close to fixed or good right now). Also, the same server hosting should still be kept whereas it was a really good host (imo) and players would be upset if it started to be as laggy as arena PvP because it would make the game unplayable.

2) Revert to S12

This is a thought that me and some other have wanted to see upon the release of S13. I don't personally know how, or even if it's possible, but S12 should be revived temporarily. This could buy time to do the next steps and hopefully keep most players intact with the server.

3) Completely get rid of the new ranking system

Although a good idea, the skill based ranking system is too flawed. That is mainly due to the fact that it can take a long time to get into game, especially in the smaller gamemodes. The old ranking system was bad in the fact that you could have pairs of people fighting each other with huge swings in elo, but that match making system was quick and one could easily get into a game.

4) Bring back the old kits

A lot of people are pretty pissed that their old and maybe favorite kits are gone, I'm included. It would be smarter to keep these gamemodes because a lot of people love them.

5) Keep some of the new, but good, features

There are, believe it or not, some good things about the update. These (imo) only include some of the new maps and the added unranked gamemodes.

6) Apologize for the whole thing

People are going to be pretty salty about the whole situation. So, there should be an apology of the entire situation. Although a direct apology is not needed, it would still help to bring back some reputation for the server. It will also show that the server actually cares about its players, and it might bring back those players who already quit for other servers.

7) Bring back a new S13

Try to redevelop S13 over again in the meantime. BUT, please bugfix and find glitches out before the season's release. Also, please don't try to rush the update, we don't want a rushed S13 with the same problems as the one we have now. And if possible, please try to ask the community what they want, I'm only one person and can only speak for my opinion, so it would be better to ask other people what they want the server to look like.

Thank you for reading this and I hope that the server Admins and Developers see this and try to actually replicate these steps to try to make a better long term business move, as well as helping the players out.

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 09:51 AM

Totally agree best suggestion thread made

Last edited on 23 July 2016 - 09:53 AM by UVpickles

oh yeah lets try to let the staff team know about this if we can

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 09:54 AM

I totally agree with you ! Such a nice idea :) this server contains way too much hate

Last edited on 23 July 2016 - 10:01 AM by danilols

Okay so by reading this post there are good points and bad points. The Kohi/Badlion merge has already happened and business wise I honestly don't think it's possible to "split"? Kohi IS apart of Badlion and nothing now can really change that. Another point is that it would be SO CONFUSING to players because honestly I feel like the merge just happened and then by making it so that there was no merge at all would be confusing and both Badlion AND Kohi would loose players. By reverting BACK TO S12 that would just waste time and energy that no one haves right now. The ranking system is perfectly fine and it would take too long to change everything back because all of the maps and lobbies have been made and everything is OKAY. The whole "apology" thing, I disagree with. What are the devs going to apologize for? Working their butts off day and night trying to fix all of the bugs and get S13 up and running? No, absolutely not. I mean, I understand where you are coming from but you have to look at it from the admins and devs POV.

EDIT: I do like that you thought this out and it does have some good ideas in it but honestly it just doesn't seem possible. Too much has been done and set in motion that reverting back would just mess it up.

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 09:59 AM

I agree 100%, good thread.

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 10:00 AM

I have legit waited 10 minutes to get into a ranking game….. so the ranking system is not fine at all

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 10:02 AM

Yeah you do have some REALLY good points, and this is just coming from a player's POV. The whole apology thing is meant to be that the players who spent their money on the server, like myself, who now get to watch the server become worse. But as I said, an apology is not needed but should be said as common curtsy. I'm fully aware that the server's devs and admins have wasted countless hours on this project, but there was clearly a lack of testing due to the amount of bugs and glitches currently in the game. I will revise the post later when I get home, but I need to go now. Thank you btw!

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 10:10 AM

I completely agree with UVpickles. Badlion was the best server for competitive Minecraft PVP because it was a simple server. Arena PVP was solely focused on PVP with kits in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5+ situations in an enclosed map. This helped train people to fight on other servers (MCSG, UHC, and other gamemodes) What really made Badlion different from other servers was the "Vanilla" aspect. Unlike Mineplex or Hypixel, there isn't annoying "blood particles" spewing out every time you hit someone and there wasn't abilities that you can buy from coins. Badlion is "Here's a set of items. Your opponent has a set of item. Go fight." I feel like Badlion changed when the developers started to code "Better knock back" In my opinion, this is unnecessary because Vanilla Minecraft knockback wasn't that bad in 1.7-1.8. When you changed the knockback, sometimes I was getting knocked 4 blocks away while my opponent was knocked 1/4 of a block back. This made it very annoying to fight when you are constantly pushed back and can't reach that far.

What I'm proposing is we revert back to the first season that had support for 1.8, dig up the code/maps for that one and use that.

I know I may not have experience running a big server but I think this time, you guys should listen to the players on stopping S13 until it is stable.

Thanks for reading!

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 10:10 AM

Np. A lot of people are saying that they have wasted their money, etc. But I mean it sounds like you guys have only gotten the rank to play Arena. People need to understand that just because Arena may be buggy, they can still put their rank to "use" and maybe play a UHC or VB or SG or whatever. There is nothing wrong with SG, there is nothing wrong with UHC. I just get the feeling that when people say that "the server is getting worse" they really only mean arena.

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 10:16 AM

I agree.

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 10:29 AM

-1 cus there is no dislike button :c

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 10:30 AM

+1

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 10:50 AM

I honestly don't see anything wrong with S13 other than the bugs, those can be fixed. Keep in mind this is the first season with the merge/new infrastructure. I'm sure S14 will be launched very smoothly compared to this and it will probably have some changes due to all of the negative feedback on S13. Until then we should all be patient and give the devs some appreciation for all the hard work they put in to make S13. Just have fun, that's what this is all about.

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 01:25 PM

+1 to everything. @danilols i noticed you addressed this, but the apology obviously shouldn't be a monologue indicating the dev's faults, it would be a paragraph or two directed toward the players who have been inconvenienced by the issues, and seek another chance for them to return (something like that)
And really, just strip away this ranking system and reinstate elo please. The majority of the people who say they like it are either kidding themselves or just blindly following Badlion, supporting everything they say.
To the people that say "ooh, you don't like change," actually fuck off.

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 01:25 PM

Last edited on 23 July 2016 - 01:43 PM by RealBlobRobber

I get where you're coming from but I'm in that minority that actually likes the rating system. I liked elo too, but this is more accurate. Ik it does have flaws that haven't been exposed yet but the benefits outweigh them more than with elo. I don't think prac and arena should be separated again but that's all opinion. Maybe a reconstruction of the plugin could be put into place for S14 but by then I think all of the issues will be solved and it won't be necessary. This isn't a bad change, I don't see why everyone is against it.

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 01:47 PM

The main reason i dont like this new thing is because it takes ages to get into a match, and that implicates other things, like making it harder to climb the boards. I'm also one of those people that always have like 5 minutes to play, then go, so i might as well not even join a match if i have to leave right in the middle of it.
I also believe prac/arena should be seperate, you don't see any traces of practice 2.0 in s13 arena.

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 02:02 PM

Also, the first 20 matches you play to evaluate your rank is too important in determining your rank. It's very, very difficult to climb the medals if you performed poorly in those 20 matches.

Posted on 23 July 2016 - 02:15 PM

The matchmaking is going to be fixed but I will agree that the placement matches are too important. They should only be able to place you within a certain range like Silver III through Emerald III so it isn't super difficult to work your way up and you still have to earn a super high rating. As far as practice not having any traces in S13, they added axe pvp to unranked and they're working on a good Speed II kb. It would be best if the pot ladders and badlion ladders were a little more seperate in the new plugin if that makes sense and still keeping the kohi pvp feel for pot.