Posted on 03 August 2016 - 09:58 PM
ItsRegened wrote
+1
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 12:23 AM
On badlion, there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between Potion melee and uhc melee. Thus when people make tgeir melee to bow kit comparisons , they are flawed.Build (melee)
SG (bow/melee)
Diamond (melee)
Archer (bow)
UHC (bow)
Iron (bow/melee)
Horse (Bow/melee)
Iron Soup (pot)
Debuff (pot)
No debuff (pot)
Vanilla (pot)
GApple (pot/melee)
From this, we see tgat pot has its fair share, and bow and melee are basically even. Advanced uhc would unbalance this but if you consider gapple not pot then it should be added.
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 04:11 AM
Season13ISaJoke wrote
Build (melee)
SG (bow/melee)
Diamond (melee)
Archer (bow)
UHC (bow)
Iron (bow/melee)
Horse (Bow/melee)
Iron Soup (pot)
Debuff (pot)
No debuff (pot)
Vanilla (pot)
GApple (pot/melee)
From this, we see tgat pot has its fair share, and bow and melee are basically even. Advanced uhc would unbalance this but if you consider gapple not pot then it should be added.
Pot is a melee ladder. Think of it this way. Who would win a gapple/debuff/kohi/vanilla/ironsoup 1v1
#1 melee player or #1 bow player. Pot is dominated by melee thus making it a melee ladder
Last edited on 04 August 2016 - 09:44 AM by WarmColedavid1
Radioactivebeans wrote
BenBdaMan wrote...
If you read the thread you will see that I pointed out the difference. I would assume you are not really into bow kits. Check the leaderboards and tell me if danteh , tylarzz or gaxriexz are on top of the leaderboards cause of their bowskill. Gaxriexz did a road to 2400 without bow and achived it proving build uhc matches can be won without the bow. If he made a series where he didnt use the sword I dont think he would even pass 1900
You can't just take a couple people who don't use bow and say that bow doesn't matter in build at all. I mean, that's good for Gax. But I don't see one person who can hold their breath for 10 minutes and all the sudden say nobody has to breathe anymore, that isn't how it works. Most people DO use bow in BuildUHC, pretty much everyone does. People like Gax, Danteh, or Tylarzz just compensate for their lack of skill in bow with their incredible skill in melee. Maybe instead of complaining about how people don't use bow, you could try to become good at melee yourself so you can do both. Seriously, any kit other than archer can be won without bow. It can just be much more difficult but it is possible.
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 10:20 AM
BenBdaMan wrote
Radioactivebeans wrote...
You can't just take a couple people who don't use bow and say that bow doesn't matter in build at all. I mean, that's good for Gax. But I don't see one person who can hold their breath for 10 minutes and all the sudden say nobody has to breathe anymore, that isn't how it works. Most people DO use bow in BuildUHC, pretty much everyone does. People like Gax, Danteh, or Tylarzz just compensate for their lack of skill in bow with their incredible skill in melee. Maybe instead of complaining about how people don't use bow, you could try to become good at melee yourself so you can do both. Seriously, any kit other than archer can be won without bow. It can just be much more difficult but it is possible.
And how the hell does that breath holding analogy work lol
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 10:22 AM
@WarmColedavid1 check his stats for s-1, he's clearly better at melee than you are tooPosted on 04 August 2016 - 10:34 AM
BenBdaMan wrote
Radioactivebeans wrote...
You can't just take a couple people who don't use bow and say that bow doesn't matter in build at all. I mean, that's good for Gax. But I don't see one person who can hold their breath for 10 minutes and all the sudden say nobody has to breathe anymore, that isn't how it works. Most people DO use bow in BuildUHC, pretty much everyone does. People like Gax, Danteh, or Tylarzz just compensate for their lack of skill in bow with their incredible skill in melee. Maybe instead of complaining about how people don't use bow, you could try to become good at melee yourself so you can do both. Seriously, any kit other than archer can be won without bow. It can just be much more difficult but it is possible.
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 10:36 AM
Bain_ wrote
BenBdaMan wrote...
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 10:55 AM
BenBdaMan wrote
Radioactivebeans wrote...
You can't just take a couple people who don't use bow and say that bow doesn't matter in build at all. I mean, that's good for Gax. But I don't see one person who can hold their breath for 10 minutes and all the sudden say nobody has to breathe anymore, that isn't how it works. Most people DO use bow in BuildUHC, pretty much everyone does. People like Gax, Danteh, or Tylarzz just compensate for their lack of skill in bow with their incredible skill in melee. Maybe instead of complaining about how people don't use bow, you could try to become good at melee yourself so you can do both. Seriously, any kit other than archer can be won without bow. It can just be much more difficult but it is possible.
I never claimed the bow didnt matter in build uhc. I just said the sword matters alot more. If bow was actually as op as people think in build people like doe and hivlik would be sitting on top of the leaderboards
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 10:59 AM
I really liked advanced uhc, much better ladder than uhcPosted on 04 August 2016 - 11:03 AM
Added a strawpollPosted on 04 August 2016 - 12:06 PM
Season13ISaJoke wrote
Build (melee)
SG (bow/melee)
Diamond (melee)
Archer (bow)
UHC (bow)
Iron (bow/melee)
Horse (Bow/melee)
Iron Soup (pot)
Debuff (pot)
No debuff (pot)
Vanilla (pot)
GApple (pot/melee)
From this, we see tgat pot has its fair share, and bow and melee are basically even. Advanced uhc would unbalance this but if you consider gapple not pot then it should be added.
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 12:09 PM
Just +1 because we need it.Posted on 04 August 2016 - 12:13 PM
Season13ISaJoke wrote
Season13ISaJoke wrote...
Advanced was removed and uhc was nerfed and there are still alot more melee kits. Build is a melee based kit so is gapple/debuff/mobuff/vanilla/soup and sg they are just different kind of melee. It is like seperating uhc and archer. Uhc doesnt have speed or does damage based on distance , archer doesnt have a sword. They are just different kind of melee and bow kits but at the end pot kits are melee aswell
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 12:18 PM
Radioactivebeans wrote
Season13ISaJoke wrote...
Advanced was removed and uhc was nerfed and there are still alot more melee kits. Build is a melee based kit so is gapple/debuff/mobuff/vanilla/soup and sg they are just different kind of melee. It is like seperating uhc and archer. Uhc doesnt have speed or does damage based on distance , archer doesnt have a sword. They are just different kind of melee and bow kits but at the end pot kits are melee aswell
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 12:33 PM
Season13ISaJoke wrote
Radioactivebeans wrote...
Thats not really a valid argument. Also who decides bow isnt a primary exactly?
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 12:44 PM
Season13ISaJoke wrote
Season13ISaJoke wrote...
Would the #1 debuff player be better at Build then the #1 archer player? yes, because Build is more melee-based then bow.
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 02:19 PM
Bain_ wrote
Build - Hybrid
SG - Hybrid
Diamond - Hybrid (bow plays a huge factor)
Iron - Bow
UHC - Bow
Archer - Bow
Horse - Bow
No Debuff - Melee
Debut - Melee
Vanilla - Melee
GApple - Melee
Iron Soup - Melee
I still think there should be slightly more melee than bow
i srsly think your stupid
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 02:21 PM
Radioactivebeans wrote
Season13ISaJoke wrote...
Thats not really a valid argument. Also who decides bow isnt a primary exactly?
Posted on 04 August 2016 - 02:23 PM
Unshift wrote
Season13ISaJoke wrote...
Would the #1 debuff player be better at Build then the #1 archer player? yes, because Build is more melee-based then bow.