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What qualifies a gamemode to be ranked?

Posted on 13 September 2016 - 09:09 PM

pinkflowergirl39 wrote

DJPano wrote...

It is very random
Higher ping = delay, and delay is never an advantage/something to be disregarded in bow pvp, unlike in melee. Bow delay makes dodging harder, strafing out of arrows harder, and shooting accurately harder.
The trajectory is set when you release the bow, so it is easy to predict the delay if you have been playing with it for a little while. With movement, it isn't that bad since a .15 second delay (150ms) isn't much at all. The only time high ping is a major problem is when you are playing with 250+ms. With melee a .15 delay is more of a problem since you have to hit a .5 second mark as close as possible. I'm not saying that ping plays a major role in melee, but it definitely plays a bigger role than bow.
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Posted on 13 September 2016 - 09:14 PM

DJPano wrote

pinkflowergirl39 wrote...

The trajectory is set when you release the bow, so it is easy to predict the delay if you have been playing with it for a little while. With movement, it isn't that bad since a .15 second delay (150ms) isn't much at all. The only time high ping is a major problem is when you are playing with 250+ms. With melee a .15 delay is more of a problem since you have to hit a .5 second mark as close as possible. I'm not saying that ping plays a major role in melee, but it definitely plays a bigger role than bow.
that was what I was saying that you argued against
and what I mean by delay isn't always a disadvantage in melee, is well, look at "laggers." they're called laggers and are hated for a reason, it's because they have ridiculous delay and take delayed kb, get far hits, etc etc
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Posted on 13 September 2016 - 10:46 PM

pinkflowergirl39 wrote

DJPano wrote...

that was what I was saying that you argued against
and what I mean by delay isn't always a disadvantage in melee, is well, look at "laggers." they're called laggers and are hated for a reason, it's because they have ridiculous delay and take delayed kb, get far hits, etc etc


LOL, too many quotes xd
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Posted on 13 September 2016 - 11:11 PM

pinkflowergirl39 wrote

DJPano wrote...

that was what I was saying that you argued against
and what I mean by delay isn't always a disadvantage in melee, is well, look at "laggers." they're called laggers and are hated for a reason, it's because they have ridiculous delay and take delayed kb, get far hits, etc etc

Bow with high ping isn't that difficult. I always have had 130 ms and it's consistent (Ik it's not that high) and I can still bow, I just need to compensate for this extra 0.1 seconds.
Melee, can be weird. I sometimes get stupidly good hits and sometimes it goes the other way. So ping affects melee more than bow.
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Posted on 14 September 2016 - 03:54 AM

1. Combo doesnt rely on good ping if anything it relys on bad ping.
Combo is the most kb reliant ladder, that is because in a combo 1v1 scenario the only way you can get an exceptional combo is if your opponent is getting knocked away because of your hits and you keep hitting him on the way.

Try fighting someone with no kb in combo it is near impossible.
People having 170ms will make them take delayed kb and get a combo on you before they take the kb they are supposed to. This is balanced out by having bad hits. I have 60 and I have developed an amazing tactic that can be used by this ping

2. I dont think the reason it is not a ladder is because it is not vanilla or doesnt have a competetive setting.
Archer kit isnt vanilla or used anywhere other than the 1v1 kit itself. Any kit with rod isnt vanilla (you cant rod people without plugins)

Diamond or Iron used to be competetive in OCN Now that server is dead but diamond and Iron still exist and very much liked. Gapple might represent a faction fight but dont think thats competetive.

3. So where is the line? I would say it is just communities take on the kit.
If you tell a random player that you are rank 1 no debuff , they will probably be amazed and think you are really good but I dont think people will care as much if you tell them that you are rank 1 combo.
These kit rules ristricts us from maybe finding out the new most popular kit
Other than gcheat checks and communities take I dont think there is a reason for it not to be ranked however I do not support it being ranked I still dont know why
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Posted on 06 October 2016 - 05:41 PM

hivlik only wants ranked combo because he has like 20 cps lol
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Posted on 06 October 2016 - 05:50 PM

Jarecl wrote

hivlik only wants ranked combo because he has like 20 cps lol

The bump tho
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Posted on 06 October 2016 - 05:51 PM

ThatOneCombo wrote

Jarecl wrote...


The bump tho
oh I just realized
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Posted on 06 October 2016 - 09:23 PM

HarrisAz wrote

also for chicken, its the best kit ever. If you wanna say ping then why is archer ranked? same for other bow ladders and rod ladders
ping isn't an issue for archer…
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Posted on 06 October 2016 - 09:26 PM

Alpha527 wrote

HarrisAz wrote...

ping isn't an issue for archer…
how are people saying that, ping affect projectiles much more heavily than swords.
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Posted on 06 October 2016 - 09:27 PM

Unshift wrote

Alpha527 wrote...

how are people saying that, ping affect projectiles much more heavily than swords.
It affects then both equally.
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Posted on 06 October 2016 - 09:36 PM

Alpha527 wrote

Unshift wrote...

It affects then both equally.
*affects projectiles more negatively than swords
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Posted on 06 October 2016 - 09:38 PM

Unshift wrote

Alpha527 wrote...

*affects projectiles more negatively than swords
Well it doesn't affect swords at all. It affects the player's movement and when they deal damage.
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Posted on 06 October 2016 - 09:39 PM

Alpha527 wrote

Unshift wrote...

Well it doesn't affect swords at all. It affects the player's movement and when they deal damage.
that's exactly what I'm talking about
it doesn't matter as much with sword if you have, say, a 1 second delay, but with a bow, 1 second is a ton of time.
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Posted on 06 October 2016 - 09:40 PM

Unshift wrote

Alpha527 wrote...

that's exactly what I'm talking about
it doesn't matter as much with sword if you have, say, a 1 second delay, but with a bow, 1 second is a ton of time.
I can bow better with 1k ms then melee.
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Posted on 06 October 2016 - 09:58 PM

This is completely my opinion but I feel like that's just one of the gamemodes people play for fun. (Also if it was in Ranked I feel like some hackers could get away with cheating because it's combo). Also my complete opinion, I feel like the gamemodes that involve more strategy (i.e. Build UHC and SG) are in ranked more. But then again things like GApple and NoDebuff are just all PvP so that probably isn't the case.
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Posted on 07 October 2016 - 07:01 AM

Alpha527 wrote

Unshift wrote...

I can bow better with 1k ms then melee.
No, you can't, unless lag somehow makes you unable to click while melee'ing. Shooting a bow accurately is 100% impossible. As you lag, you can't strafe/dodge and you have a 1 second delay in your shots, meaning your predictions and reactions are going to have to be 1 second faster. You don't react/predict much with swords like you do with bows.
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Last edited on 07 October 2016 - 07:14 AM by Metarus

Unshift wrote

Alpha527 wrote...

No, you can't, unless lag somehow makes you unable to click while melee'ing. Shooting a bow accurately is 100% impossible. As you lag, you can't strafe/dodge and you have a 1 second delay in your shots, meaning your predictions and reactions are going to have to be 1 second faster. You don't react/predict much with swords like you do with bows.
Not talking about 1000ms here, we're talking about a feasible range, per se 250. I have 130 and always have had that, and because of that, my bow game is good. I'm not a god, but I'm Gold V which isn't bad at all. Melee can be worse though; the hit reg is weird, I sometimes get godly hits and sometimes I don't get hits.
It affects melee more than bow; bow is just adjusting to your ping.
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Posted on 07 October 2016 - 07:51 AM

Metarus wrote

Unshift wrote...

Not talking about 1000ms here, we're talking about a feasible range, per se 250. I have 130 and always have had that, and because of that, my bow game is good. I'm not a god, but I'm Gold V which isn't bad at all. Melee can be worse though; the hit reg is weird, I sometimes get godly hits and sometimes I don't get hits.
It affects melee more than bow; bow is just adjusting to your ping.
he said "I can bow better with 1k ms than melee" so that's what I replied to.
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Posted on 07 October 2016 - 08:16 AM

Unshift wrote

Alpha527 wrote...

No, you can't, unless lag somehow makes you unable to click while melee'ing. Shooting a bow accurately is 100% impossible. As you lag, you can't strafe/dodge and you have a 1 second delay in your shots, meaning your predictions and reactions are going to have to be 1 second faster. You don't react/predict much with swords like you do with bows.
I can predict where they are going to go better. The opponent is 2 seconds behind where he is but yeah. Idk y I am just better that way chill.
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