Posted on 08 October 2016 - 09:20 AM
Since the old thread I made surprisingly got a lot of feedback, I've noticed that a lot of people actually do want to play IronBuildUHC (which was removed for a reason I do not know) and therefore I've decided to make a thread pointing out how to fix the main issues and why it should be playable as a ranked ladder once again:"Redundancy"
Of course, IronBuild was pretty similar to Build, if you simply look at the kit, however it had its own touch to it and was played differently: it was more fast-paced but less bullshit-based as there was no lava in the kit. And honestly, look at Debuff vs NoDebuff, literally the only change that has been made that there are debuff pots in Debuff whereas there are none in NoDebuff. IronBuild contained worse armor, less arrows, no lava, less heads, less gaps and even more compared to Build.
Annoying Water Strat
Even though I haven't encountered that tactic that much, it seemed to be the main reason why people didn't enjoy it. What I mean is that you place down water before you go into melee to get free hits on your opponent while he's distracted by trying to remove the water. My suggestion would be pretty simple, just remove the two water buckets as they don't have any purpose anyways, since there's no lava in the kit. Shouldn't hurt anyone.
Player Base/Rod PvP
Of course, the player base of IronBuild was nowhere near the actual Build kit. However, it still had a decent player base. As I can remember it always had more players than ladders such as Iron, Diamond, Horse, Debuff, Vanilla etc. Moreover I believe Badlion needs to get more rod based ladders. Right now, there are only two ladders which contain a rod: Build and SG. Paradoxically, these are the most played ladders at the moment. At the same time, there are four bow based ladders (Archer, UHC, Iron, Horse). So why not get more rod ladders?
Less Arrows
I feel like the vast majority dislikes the amount of arrows in Build. Don't understand me wrong, bowing is my favourite thing to do, but if people don't like it, it should be changed. While nothing happened to the actual Build kit, which is understandable, having 20 arrows in IronBuild would be a great alternative, also for those who would like to warm up but don't want to fight annoying lava/bowspammers.
Tell me what you guys think, I might add some other arguments later on.
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 10:31 AM
IronBuild did have 20 arrowsPosted on 08 October 2016 - 11:16 AM
Unshift wrote
Did I say anything else?
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 12:49 PM
"less arrows"most early fights consist of more bow fighting, so -1
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 01:15 PM
DaBakerMC wrote
most early fights consist of more bow fighting, so -1
I'd love to have 5 stacks of arrows in this ladder making it a fully bow based ladder since bow's my favourite weapon, but 95% of the community don't like bowing and prefer melee. Also, idk if you've played Iron Build back then but the armor was terrible, so a bowshot usually did around 1.5-2 hearts. Since you have less healing as well the 20 arrows were crucial, probably even more important than the 64 arrows in Build.
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 01:54 PM
DaBakerMC wrote
most early fights consist of more bow fighting, so -1
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 02:02 PM
Alpha527 wrote
DaBakerMC wrote...
But you have less diamond gear, making bow more effective. As well, from my experience, most early fights involve more bow than later fights
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 02:08 PM
DaBakerMC wrote
Alpha527 wrote...
But you have less diamond gear, making bow more effective. As well, from my experience, most early fights involve more bow than later fights
You obviously don't see my point then. Nobody's gonna play a 5th bow ladder, it's about being neutral and realistic rather than personal preferences.
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 02:55 PM
-1 to this+1 to Iron Build UHC back
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 03:02 PM
DaBakerMC wrote
Alpha527 wrote...
But you have less diamond gear, making bow more effective. As well, from my experience, most early fights involve more bow than later fights
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 03:10 PM
MeMyselfAndCube wrote
+1 to Iron Build UHC back
… because? The thread is about bringing IronBuild back, just without water
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 03:40 PM
Instead of completely removing water, one of the buckets should be removed. That way people can still use it to run and to use the water tactic but if they mess up once they can't do it anymore. Either the proj prot needs to be increased or the bow needs to be nerfed because the arrows do far too much damage. Another solution would be to just have 8-12 arrows so it's not a complete bow fight.Posted on 08 October 2016 - 03:41 PM
Water buckets are there so when you kite you can get awayPosted on 08 October 2016 - 04:47 PM
I would make some touches to the IronBuildUHC to make it stand out more, as I mentioned in many threads before.Anonymous Quote
Weapons : D Sword (Sharp II), I Sword (Fire Aspect I, Sharp I), Bow (Power III)
Others : D Pickaxe, D Axe, Steak (64), Arrows (64), CobbleStone (32), Wooden Planks (32), Golden Heads (2), Golden Apple (4)
Absorption : On, Block Placing : On)
The post was on point but the community wouldn't really play it, they go for mainstream, Nodebuff,Debuff and Vanilla is a good already mentioned example.
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 05:13 PM
Kikzo who are you? whats your main?Posted on 08 October 2016 - 06:49 PM
SirDeqdly wrote
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 07:12 PM
SirDeqdly wrote
Posted on 08 October 2016 - 09:55 PM
+1 I really agree with bringing iron build back. But maybe remove 1 water bucket instead of both. Say for an example, you get combo'ed or somehow very low in health and you need to run. Your opponent most of the time will keep chasing until he or she can get a hit. But the water tactic is a smart move.Posted on 09 October 2016 - 12:00 AM
SwagMC wrote
Posted on 09 October 2016 - 02:56 AM