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Can we remove this ladder?
People ask me why I liked season 13 so much compared to others. The answer is:


Horse was removed for that season.


Fuck whorse, it doesn't determine skill. It determines who's horse dies faster, and it's the most ping based ladder there is. The movement relies on ping. Come on, Badlion, I know this is the most competitive PvP server out there. Don't let this kit slow you down, because atm it's more than half the playerbase's least favorite. Whoever's horse dies first loses. Don't even get me started on bowspamming, because if you're on a horse and you're bowspamming the other person's horse it's already one sided. Please look into this, you answered the call in Season 13, please answer it again.
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Horse was only removed for the start of season 13, then it was added back. If horse does get removed, another bow ladder should be added in its place such as advanced uhc.
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I enjoyed Kohi's archer ladder
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+1, I had like 2500 kohi archer wins xd
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+1
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No.
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The horse ladder unbelievably unbalanced and is more reliant on ping rather than skill, it's basically impossible to get on the leaderboards with 100ms+ latency because you have to guess more than actually aiming where your opponent is and your movement on the horse is absolutely fucked up.
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ravenatorman wrote

Horse was only removed for the start of season 13, then it was added back. If horse does get removed, another bow ladder should be added in its place such as advanced uhc.

This
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wtf its not like the horse ladder raped you or something why do u even care if its there or not, just don't play it.
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Horse doesn't determine skill? It requires prediction, aim and dodging patterns just like every other bow ladder.
It's unbalanced? How, people get the same equipment thus making it a fair kit.
It's more reliant on ping than skill? Well yeah, that's the case in any ladder.
It's impossible to get onto the leaderboards if you have high ping? Yup, just like every other ladder. Horse is one of the easier ones.
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Kikzo wrote

It's more reliant on ping than skill? Well yeah, that's the case in any ladder. Keyword; more. I completely agree with that statement, it is more reliant on ping than other ladders.
It's impossible to get onto the leaderboards if you have high ping? Yup, just like every other ladder. Horse is one of the easier ones. Also disagree with this statement. It's possible to get on the leaderboards with high ping in any ladder, just people with higher ping are generally deterred thinking they have some major disadvantage when they really don't, it's just different.

I have higher ping (130-140 ms, sometimes higher), so I kind of know.
And Kikzo, I agree horse should stay. I'm not trying to attack you, but your arguments are flawed.
In my opinion, I hate horse with a vengeance since it is more difficult with high ping, but I think it should stay because it does happen in real UHCs. ArenaPvP wasn't designed to be it's own gamemode, there's a reason it was addressed as practice for quite a while.
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dolfiin wrote

wtf its not like the horse ladder raped you or something why do u even care if its there or not, just don't play it.
as crude as this argument was it actually makes sense
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Unshift wrote

dolfiin wrote...

as crude as this argument was it actually makes sense



I wouldn't play it, but it contributes to my global mmr and brings it up. That's the hell of it.
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BlueJewell wrote

Unshift wrote...




I wouldn't play it, but it contributes to my global mmr and brings it up. That's the hell of it.

Then doesn't that mean you don't deserve a good global if you are bad at some ladders? Yes it does, global mmr is your overall average skill for every ladder. Like if ppl ask you your pvp skills, you would tell them your global mmr
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HarrisAz wrote

BlueJewell wrote...


Then doesn't that mean you don't deserve a good global if you are bad at some ladders? Yes it does, global mmr is your overall average skill for every ladder. Like if ppl ask you your pvp skills, you would tell them your global mmr

^^^
and @lachlol if you say it doesn't require skill, it's a valid gamemode which happens in UHCs frequently.
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tbh i feel like it is a decent ladder but that it has no place in ranked and should be turned into an unranked ladder
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GoodEnchant wrote

tbh i feel like it is a decent ladder but that it has no place in ranked and should be turned into an unranked ladder

I agree. Wish it wasn't ranked personally.
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Instead how about removing Build UHC
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Metarus wrote

HarrisAz wrote...


^^^
and @lachlol if you say it doesn't require skill, it's a valid gamemode which happens in UHCs frequently.
pig pvp also happens on vanilla servers so why not invent that
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NaomiBliss wrote

Instead how about removing Build UHC

Tbh this is a great idea
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