Posted on 28 September 2014 - 03:51 AM
Maybe I think it would help if there was a sticky in each subforum that says how/where to apply for mod because recently, I've noticed there's a lot more mod apps going into these subforums that are supposed to be emailed to archy[at]badlion.net.Posted on 28 September 2014 - 05:34 AM
Imo it says very clearly in the app how to send it in, I had no problem with it, we get several apps a day, they have no problem with it. I -1 to making it any easier. It's the first test to see if your mod worthy, as if you can't even pay attention to such simple detail in an app, then I doubt the person would be a good mod.Posted on 28 September 2014 - 01:09 PM
BurntCactus wrote
Posted on 28 September 2014 - 04:40 PM
If they are sent to me any other way but email it shows they can't follow instructions and get instantly denied, even if they send it to an email after being told to.Posted on 28 September 2014 - 05:22 PM
Archybot wrote
Makes sense. And a majority of the people who put their apps in the forums are like 11 -12
Posted on 29 September 2014 - 03:20 AM
BurntCactus wrote
That sounds like some pretty quick judgement.
Posted on 29 September 2014 - 03:20 AM
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Hivlik wrote
If someone can't follow simple instructions and read the entire post, I wouldn't be comfortable having them as a moderator…
Posted on 29 September 2014 - 05:01 AM
Hivlik wrote
BurntCactus wrote...
That sounds like some pretty quick judgement.
Also sounds like a pretty simple thing to ask a person applying to do.
Posted on 29 September 2014 - 12:53 PM
SmellyPenguin wrote
Hivlik wrote...
Also sounds like a pretty simple thing to ask a person applying to do.
Doesn't mean they'd be a bad mod. It could be a beginning indicator, but to immediately deny it is wrong.
Posted on 29 September 2014 - 01:25 PM
Lets go ahead and take a look at the first thing the application says.Archybot wrote
So after reading this, and the email being the only thing in the entire app in bold they continue to post it on the forums. I can tell you from experience that the admins hate it when you miss the smallest details in appeals/reports, and this is a huge detail thrown right in front of your face and is ignored. So yes I am quick to judge and say they would be a bad mod.
Posted on 29 September 2014 - 01:40 PM
Hivlik wrote
Immediately denying it isn't wrong. As a moderator, you should be able to follow simple directions; when you post an application on the forums, it's a clear indicator that the person cannot follow simple directions and did not take the time into fully understanding how to submit an application. When someone does that, I wouldn't trust them with the position.
Edit: The part that explains how to submit an application is even in bold. If one misses that, there's clearly a problem.
Posted on 29 September 2014 - 05:22 PM
Morsinius wrote
Hivlik wrote...
Immediately denying it isn't wrong. As a moderator, you should be able to follow simple directions; when you post an application on the forums, it's a clear indicator that the person cannot follow simple directions and did not take the time into fully understanding how to submit an application. When someone does that, I wouldn't trust them with the position.
Edit: The part that explains how to submit an application is even in bold. If one misses that, there's clearly a problem.
To deny any application without reading the entirety of it is wrong. People might screw up, but I think I can safely say that 90% of the staff team has made mistake punishments, stupid forum posts, bad decisions, etc. If you don't even read their application, then there is no way that you'll know whether or not they'll make a good mod. Likely, most of your staff weren't the perfect prospects (did I use that right?) for mod either, but with a little bit of direction and constructive criticism, they turned into great staff members. One judgement on a person could lead you to denying the best mod you ever could have had. Ruthless auto-denial after redirection to email is unfair, and it helps nobody.
Posted on 29 September 2014 - 05:39 PM
Hivlik wrote
You shouldn't mess up on something that you have one chance for. Submitting a moderator application is a big deal; you've got to make sure that you make a good enough application to be accepted and that you follow the guidelines properly. It's a make it or break it moment. If you mess up something as simple as that, you don't deserve the position. I don't understand how this is unfair judgment—you have to show that you're worthy of the position, and by sending the application incorrectly, you've already made your first impression as someone who cannot understand and follow elementary directions. Life isn't forgiving, and people will judge you based on first impressions. You mess this up, you mess up your chances. It's not fair to the people who correctly submitted their application when people who didn't submit their application properly get a second chance.
And I never said I wouldn't read the application; I simply said that it will not be considered.
Posted on 29 September 2014 - 08:28 PM
in other words2dumb2followInstructions
Posted on 29 September 2014 - 10:45 PM
I'm sorry guysPosted on 29 September 2014 - 10:58 PM
'tis fun having these types of disputes, thoughPosted on 30 September 2014 - 01:53 PM
Morsinius wrote
You're right. In fact, it's often such a big deal that you are too focused on the application itself to worry about the details. It could easily slip one's mind.
Morsinius wrote
That's like saying if you make a typo in your Skype name, you don't deserve to be a moderator. Why would that make any sense? It may cause some confusion for the staff, but in the excitement and anticipation of sending in a mod app, it's not as big a deal as leaving a lasting impression in the rest of the application.
Morsinius wrote
Impressions rarely make for good judgements of people. I'm sure you staff have seen some great mod applicants that got accepted turn into not so great mods.
Morsinius wrote
I disagree. If somebody truly wanted to be a moderator - truly wanted to help out - they'd want other good mods to be recruited along side them. It's not like you have a hard, set limit to the amount of staff you had. So either way, whether or not they made it, they would want other good applicants to be accepted. I don't think they really mind if that second applicant just got a little bit of direction. It's like a headstart to mod training, kind of. :)
Morsinius wrote
That's probably even worse.
Morsinius wrote
Yeah I enjoy them :)
Also I think mors already knows this, but I'd just like to clarify for anybody that happens to swing by and see this string of posts; I'm not one of the guys who actually posted a mod app on the forums, but I'm just defending those who did and will. Ok :)
Posted on 30 September 2014 - 10:36 PM
@Hivlik If someone can't do something as simple as read the whole format to becoming a moderator, they shouldn't be a moderator. Plain and simplePosted on 01 October 2014 - 02:16 AM
Cavasi wrote
Ok um that's kinda what has been said this entire thread and that's kinda what I've been denying this entire thread. Got anything to contribute?