Posted on 07 December 2016 - 06:50 PM

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Posted on 07 December 2016 - 06:53 PM

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Last edited on 07 December 2016 - 06:53 PM by minneapolis_PC

I think ik why now
https://www.badlion.net/profile/user/mathyuVAPES/punishments

Posted on 07 December 2016 - 06:56 PM

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Last edited on 07 December 2016 - 07:35 PM by lachlol

ooo so he WAS tiszo! I FIGURED



at the same time I could be horribly wrong

Posted on 07 December 2016 - 07:43 PM

Nah you're way off lol

Posted on 07 December 2016 - 08:29 PM

archy to afraid to reply

Posted on 07 December 2016 - 08:41 PM

ur retarded

Posted on 07 December 2016 - 08:44 PM

legit spouting autism

Last edited on 07 December 2016 - 08:50 PM by iHackLiTE

i think the original poster is a fucking idiot. why should anyone listen to some kid acting like he has a valid opinion just because he thinks hes good when hes garbage

Posted on 07 December 2016 - 08:55 PM

then who was he? since he's banned I think it's okay to tell us

Posted on 07 December 2016 - 09:00 PM

1) S13 KB was still better than the current KB, what a prime example!
2) You keep acting like the KB stays the same after every update you push onto Arena.
There's a clear gameplay difference between this season, S12, all the way back to S10. You keep saying you don't change the values, directly compare these videos I have from past seasons to streams from this season:


(DO NOT LISTEN TO THE AUDIO)














(Entire old stream, still processing at time of posting)
compared to
https://www.twitch.tv/verillium/v/105740452 1:31:15
https://www.twitch.tv/verillium/v/103655294 1:39:10
(don't play as much on stream this season)
You're clearly lying if you say you don't see a difference in the KB. It's such a clear difference that it's amazing you can still deny it's changed in any way.
3) Tbt when the good players chose the kb and we more or less all agreed that it was great and you reverted it because you didn't like it though you didn't know what it was like to play on it considering you don't play competitively anymore, everyone I was talking to at the time was fine with it, and as top players going onto that dev server and trying to help you guys pick good KB for the entire server, we were trying to help the entire network as we know the difference between good KB and bad KB. That KB was good if you actually knew how to play the game, whereas this season, there's a bunch of random kids who get high rating that can't even place their water. They're that bad but they managed to get up there because of how poor the KB was designed from a skill cap standpoint. Either way, the top players wanted to build a platform for the smaller players to grow and get better on as it was consistent and smooth. Bring half of these leaderboards/high rating players this season to another server with slightly different KB and they'll flop on their ass, which wasn't the case before. Good badlion players from before could usually transition from server to server and still be good. Notice how most of the people that are high(er) in build can't even get a kill in UHC? Barely a different environment, gear may be slightly different but that's because the KB is almost entirely different on UHC than Arena, which goes to show how poorly those players can transition. There's also a miniscule factor of difference between arena and uhc situations, but I can personally say that the difference is negligible. Give those players good KB and they'll be able to transition easier, making Badlion a stronger and better community than the rest again. So no, we did not want what was best for us, or we'd never have come to a settlement way back when we chose the KB. Even so, by your logic, if all the GOOD players agree on something and all the BAD players disagree on a competitive network, the good players are the higher skilled ones that know the difference between consistency and smoothness. In Overwatch, for example, devs listen to the general community but pay attention to higher ranks and professional players to make changes in the meta. For example, at low ranks, random heroes like Mccree are bad because they're not good enough to use him well, whereas at pro levels, Mccree is a monster. Think of Mccree as good knockback. People who are bad say he's bad because they can't use him, but good players can utilize it and are trained to the consistency. This season's knockback is like boosted soldier. At low levels, he's really good cause of his output and such, but at high levels, it's broken. That's this seasons KB. Random people who can barely manage to play the game can do well and reach higher ranks simply because of the broken KB, and at higher levels, it's whoever can win the most trades and play desperately. Then you see the good players complain because they're the ones who actually notice it's broken. They give suggestions and it gets looked at for future patches. This helps equalize the game and provide a more stable meta (though ever changing) that allows people who are actually getting better at the game to climb where they're supposed to be. That's what the higher players are doing when we criticize the KB and all the other aspects of arena, but you just say we're selfish and wrong even though you're not a competitive badlion player and you have literally no understanding of how the game goes down anymore. You might've had some before, but not anymore. That's the truth, unfortunately. That's why you're supposed to listen to the community, which we're not being selfish by trying to help, we're trying to help everyone.
4) If I had the 16 hours a day to play minecraft like iHackLite and some of these other players, I would. When you're sitting on a restricted time and can only play peak hours, you're bound not gonna get anywhere due to how inconsistent everything is. iHackLite likes to play at night and early morning so he can take advantage of fighting ANY ranking, basically boosting to high ass amounts without any effort. Where it would take an hour to grind 30 elo off 1600s as a 2300 in S12, it takes a good 30 minutes now. Then, when those players go on losing sprees and lose half of what they should, they stay high. Now you're putting those people exponentially high even though they're on losing streaks and such. I could climb if I wanted to, play like other players have resorted to because of the current KB, and still have time to dick around probably before Badlion premium gameplay is released. (not doing this because I don't have the time, btw). Also, if you're boasting that iHackLite can only get drained by hackers, you're giving a free example of why this KB is bad. HackLite couldn't even hit pot leaderboards in previous seasons and I've straight up drained him multiple times. Now that there's this random KB that lets the worst players soar high, he's untouchable? Funny how that works, next.
5) How is MMR more accurate than Elo was? If you're actually going to bring up accuracy, you should've changed the elo from starting at 1400 to starting at 14000 with an extra significant digit, letting you be even more accurate. Even continued that to 10sd or something and had that behind the scenes calculation being significant to the 10th sd. MMR is a horribly inaccurate system (on Badlion at least) that lets players create rating where none was. With Elo, one person loses a portion of 32 and the other player gains the remainder. With MMR, if someone's on their deranking game and they win, they can get like 7 points or something depending on the loss before. Now they lose again. The other player doesn't gain those 7 points, they gain 15-230 or whatever it is, and that person goes back into the deranking game. They win that game. Now they're up to 5 points. Say the person that defeated them before gained 200 rating, now there's 193 rating that was generated from nothing because the person didn't actually derank. MMR is the opposite of what you're striving for if you're looking for something like accuracy in ratings. Bitching about grinding a draining? If there were hundreds of people queuing badlion 1v1s at once and sniping was impossible, you'd still be doing what games like Overwatch do right now. One team gains while the other team loses. If you grind, you get more and more rating, or the opposite, like a failed grind session where you lose a ton of elo. This is what the old, good arena was like, minus the sniping and repeated queueing. That couldn't be avoided, it was more of a number thing. Also, games like CS:GO, Overwatch, etc. provide those ratings in the form of a group like diamond, gold nova, LEM, whatever. That's a team game. That's not 1v1s like arena pvp is (most of the time). Chess is like arena, where it's a 1v1. This rating system was perfectly fine, if not perfect in general for the arena 1v1 system which is probably why you chose it in the first place. This was fine up til S12. You decided to remove it, for a poor, inaccurate rating system, while trying to spread that it was better which was literally just your opinion or idea that probably got fucked in the process of developing it. When you're doing something like to5 PUGs, maybe the MMR system would work well. Clearly would need adjustments and probably removal of the rankup and derank games, but that's whatever. I can see the Elo system even thriving in the PUG world that's coming, yet you continue to dismiss that idea as you add more cereal to the server. (Cereal being random stuff that doesn't need to be added, like shitty songs on an album just to fill it). If you want Minecraft to ever be seen as a real E-sport competing with games like LoL, Dota 2, CS:GO, Overwatch, HotS, Hearthstone, you're going to have a long way to go. First things first, make the game actually competitive! Adjust the game so it's not easy for people who don't know what they're doing, and you have to actually practice and get better to reach higher levels. If you have a game where random people who have a visible skill gap are competing with people who have noticable reflexes, aim, blah, you'll never be taken seriously. You can't play competitively with anyone being able to play "professionally" without needing to practice and grind those hours like what's currently going on with Badlion. Back to the main statement, you're saying Elo doesn't thrive where there's a big gap between rating and a large amount of players, but that's what's supposed to happen? Higher rating players should never be fighting players substantially lower. That's how the game works. In Overwatch, you don't see a 6 queue of masters playing a 6 queue of silvers simply because they "waited too long in queue". That's exactly what the queueing system on Badlion is like, and it is as stupid as it seems on paper.

Stop denying things like this. You keep making excuses that aren't plausable in the actual competitive environment without understanding the players who would be in that environment. Listen more to the community, the truly competitive portion especially, and try to make this game as competitive as possible. GL

~ Verillium

Posted on 07 December 2016 - 09:03 PM

You beat me once in build, I beat you once in build, you cried and made me duel you in YOUR kit and had a fit when I suggested a single ladder I play. You're only high leaderboards because we quit. You couldn't pass me in global past seasons when I had the time and energy to do so, while I was also garbage at pot ladders, and for the first two seasons I was top global, shit at bow. Excellent argument, 1-trick player.

Last edited on 07 December 2016 - 09:18 PM by iHackLiTE

"we"? Who, you and Danteh? LOL HAHAHAHA

You couldn't pass me if your life depended on it. I nearly passed you in season 11 with HALF your matches played, a 50fps laptop, and no donator rank.

Danteh isn't the entirety of the skilled part of the community. In fact, he isn't even a part of it. Good job, he got 2800 in one ladder that a bunch of 10 year old plays and it carried him. I know it seems that he's all amazing since barely anyone ACTUALLY good at the game tries (such as pot players).

"Good" players didn't play the server when you were on the leaderboards either. A few missing people from previous season doesn't mean the season has gone in a shithole. Don't act like you're good. Don't act like your opinion is valid. No one cares.

Here's a great example of a good pot player that came out of nowhere and was #1 for the majority of season 12. He quit because he got tired of grinding 1400's.

https://gyazo.com/876f5d6f7a640f225b3e86656f3ea204

It makes me LAUGH when some garbage ass player like you acts like they're special for being high on a different season.

Last edited on 07 December 2016 - 09:17 PM by iHackLiTE

Yea, and the only ladders you CAN beat me in are the bad ones, like build, uhc, and HORSE LOL.

You're too scared to duel me in anything I'm good at. You quickdropped early because you were a bit scared to get 15 potted. Winning in pot is way more impressive.

Last edited on 07 December 2016 - 09:20 PM by Lupo

people like @Genocado literally just quote whatever archybot posts and says "PREEEEAAACH LOOOL" and "HAHA STFU ARCHYBOT ROASTED UR ASS"

Last edited on 07 December 2016 - 09:20 PM by iHackLiTE

if i remember correctly, YOU were the one crying. I didn't even know it was you in build, because you were in disguise. YOU messaged ME and talked shit.

Last edited on 07 December 2016 - 09:20 PM by Lupo

snip double post

Posted on 07 December 2016 - 09:21 PM

@Verillium if you don't stop considering yourself as one of the good players

Posted on 07 December 2016 - 09:22 PM

@Verillium you don't have 16 hours to play, but you have 16 hours to write an essay explaining why you don't play. just quit, no one would miss you. especially archy.