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Why 1st person evidence can be better than 3rd person

freekkiller wrote

I have prime examples of non-lagger recording laggers with huge reach too, but I don't have an example ready

Truly, I wouldn't point this out to my seniors if there was no reason to. Why all the distrust in our abilities?

Tbh I distrust most of the mods when it comes to banning for cheating

but freekkiller u should tell this man about my and other eu players' latency 'range' back when good potpvpers played on badlion kek
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DaGoldBrick wrote

freekkiller wrote...


Tbh I distrust most of the mods when it comes to banning for cheating

but freekkiller u should tell this man about my and other eu players' latency 'range' back when good potpvpers played on badlion kek

Care to explain why you have that distrust?
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jpalm wrote

DaGoldBrick wrote...


Care to explain why you have that distrust?

Not to you
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Bean speaking

iHackLite, you are the most toxic person out there, if it was anyone else MasterGberry would ban you from the server, I still do not understand why he hasn't,





In this video you can see how hard it is for me to play on badlion, the only reason I used to beat you before was because the host was a lot better personally for me, I went from 270ms to 410ms which became extremely unplayable, even with the huge ping increase I still DO manage to get you to low potions (1-2).

I just do not understand why you are still hackusating me on the FORUMS when you are muted on badlion untill 2022. https://www.badlion.net/appeal/thread/221167 Why doesn't this ban add up in making this post? Hes clearly being toxic and hackusating players ONCE again even though badlion premium is around the corner and that will truly show whos legit or not lol.

Do something about this guy hes the most toxic person in this community currently, HE IS NOT THE BEST.

AND I do not get fucking shit on by players after I got unbanned so stop making shit up, I managed to beat the badlion record on AU where i get normal connection just like you on NA, I went up to 141wins without loosing until I fought a hacker which is now banned


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jpalm wrote

DaGoldBrick wrote...


Care to explain why you have that distrust?


i have distrust because I've been false banned 3 times. the false bans were all manual bans by mods. now i record literally every single fight.
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iss wrote

jpalm wrote...



i have distrust because I've been false banned 3 times. the false bans were all manual bans by mods. now i record literally every single fight.

you were false banned once not 3 times. and how can that create a distrust for all mods? it was one moderators mistake.
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jpalm wrote

iss wrote...


you were false banned once not 3 times. and how can that create a distrust for all mods? it was one moderators mistake.


not here to argue this with one of you guys. i was banned once back in 2014 (false, was unbanned i dont believe this shows up on my profile), once near the end of 2015 (i know i wasn't cheating im not here to argue this) and once in like november.
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freekkiller wrote

I swear, if I cloned you and made you fight each other I'd see 2 reports appearing in the report section.

I'll quote my staff forum thread

freekkiller wrote...


This is something you are missing. For too long we have been banning people who we thought were cheating without actually being sure. With the new 'policy' lots of hackers will get away, yes, but that faith was already to be expected with the inevitable evolution of ghost clients. It wasn't IF people would go undetected, it was WHEN they would be. That time has come. Fortenately, BL Premium is coming, as is JD10. Same thing, it's not IF these people get banned, it's WHEN. They might be able to cheat on the server for longer, but if that means we will spare innocents then I'm signing for it. And I did.

iHackLiTE wrote...


True. But we work with a system 'innocent until 100% proven guilty' (just like in the normal world) and that 100% was never reached with Bean. I don't know for a fact that Bean wasn't cheating. I also don't know for a fact that Bean was cheating.

iHackLiTE wrote...


True. This is the reason why I told seniors to watch out before banning from 1st person evidence.

iHackLiTE wrote...


He provided counter evidence, so there is a reason. Hell, he probably cheated in that counter evidence but it was nowhere near sufficient for a ban. You can see for yourself, does that counter evidence seem fishy enough for a ban? Remember, for a ban we need to be 100% sure. To me it doesn't, Erca is only fishy in your POV

You know what's more so fishy though? I'll help explaining by this quote:

iHackLiTE wrote...


Go look at the counter evidence from Erca

0:25 You don't move for several hits. You toggled KB modifier
0:38 You hit him CLEARLY out of reach
0:42 You take literally 0 KB

I'm too lazy to continue witchunting your fishy behaviour, but do you see my point? This is where my first sentence of this post came from. You BOTH look fishy, you would seriously report yourself if you were fighting yourself.

iHackLiTE wrote...


This is absolutely not the reason. I told my seniors to be more careful on 1st person because of numerous instances where we had a legit player outreaching the recorder, and then 3-6 seniors approving the evidence. It looks fishy but it's not enough, every time again. It's not because of you or Bean. I don't have many examples, but here is one: https://youtu.be/vgNVWTAgsnw

Clearly he cheats right? He looks up, he hits him from far away, etc. Actually, the rod of Adeum (the supposed hacker) actually never reached the recorder, but stops earlier. Also when the recorder died, the fence was placed like 4 blocks behind him. The recorder was laggy and he seemed to be slightly desynced to the server due to latency. In Adeums POV he was much nearer. He didn't cheat, yet ~6 seniors approved the evidence.

So this means that,

iHackLiTE wrote...


is not true.

I am not refuting the right for seniors to ban for 1st person evidence. Thanks to my chances in the policy a long time ago they are even able to. I'm just telling them to be more careful. Watch out for latency. Watch out for shitty MC mechanics. Have the evidence be approved by other seniors. And if you aren't sure, ask an admin.

I forgot how your latest reports were like, but they were likely denied for good reason
This is why I'm scared of GCheat admins.
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freekkiller wrote

I have prime examples of non-lagger recording laggers with huge reach too, but I don't have an example ready

Truly, I wouldn't point this out to my seniors if there was no reason to. Why all the distrust in our abilities?

no distrust. im just upset that, in my opinion, you're going a bit far trying to get seniors to only accept the most blatant of 1st person reports. ive gotten you to ban people from far, far, FAR less than these what i find to be obvious clips of players cheating (merciful, evoog, sinchtron). if you never banned for this kind of proof ever, i guarantee you that the leaderboards would be quite a lot more full than they are now of people that are definitely cheating, because no one would have a way of getting them banned. ill stick up for badlion and gcheat any day because i do believe they are the best, but when gcheat is made out to be an anticheat that is algorithmically impossible to be false banned, yet you give tons ghost clienters the benefit of the doubt, i find that to be somewhat of a contradiction. i only make a report on these forums when i dont think the proof should ever be denied, when im 100% confident. now youre having talks with the seniors about banning for 1st person evidence (probably low key hinting at me specifically), which frustrates me because i dont care how much i hackusate, i only ever report someone when i am completely confident that my proof is valid, and now what was once acceptable is not anymore when i feel it should be.

also, a little challenge for someone who cares enough, find me a report that i made in which didnt involve the player i reported getting banned (besides the most recent one who hasn't had the chance to see a ban wave yet)
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iss wrote

jpalm wrote...



not here to argue this with one of you guys. i was banned once back in 2014 (false, was unbanned i dont believe this shows up on my profile), once near the end of 2015 (i know i wasn't cheating im not here to argue this) and once in like november.

if yms false banned you back in the day and then you used that false ban to appeal a correct ban in the future, a lot of people would laugh at you. i dont know who banned you, and im not calling them stupid (im calling yms pretty dumb), but the mistake of one single staff member should not give numerous cheaters free passes in the future

also looking at your punishment and appeals page, i wouldnt exactly call you a reliable source on false bans
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FkPolice wrote

Bean speaking

iHackLite, you are the most toxic person out there, if it was anyone else MasterGberry would ban you from the server, I still do not understand why he hasn't,





In this video you can see how hard it is for me to play on badlion, the only reason I used to beat you before was because the host was a lot better personally for me, I went from 270ms to 410ms which became extremely unplayable, even with the huge ping increase I still DO manage to get you to low potions (1-2).

I just do not understand why you are still hackusating me on the FORUMS when you are muted on badlion untill 2022. https://www.badlion.net/appeal/thread/221167 Why doesn't this ban add up in making this post? Hes clearly being toxic and hackusating players ONCE again even though badlion premium is around the corner and that will truly show whos legit or not lol.

Do something about this guy hes the most toxic person in this community currently, HE IS NOT THE BEST.

AND I do not get fucking shit on by players after I got unbanned so stop making shit up, I managed to beat the badlion record on AU where i get normal connection just like you on NA, I went up to 141wins without loosing until I fought a hacker which is now banned



yea yea, and armoda tried to say he wasnt armoda like 5 times.

if you would look at my appeal, you'd see why i am not banned. also, (not saying my punishment is undeserved), my punishment is relatively harsh considering there are quite a few players out there with 5+ suicide encouragement mutes that only get month mutes every single time, so i dont know what you're on about
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freekkiller wrote


Go look at the counter evidence from Erca

0:25 You don't move for several hits. You toggled KB modifier
0:38 You hit him CLEARLY out of reach
0:42 You take literally 0 KB

I'm too lazy to continue witchunting your fishy behaviour, but do you see my point? This is where my first sentence of this post came from. You BOTH look fishy, you would seriously report yourself if you were fighting yourself.

This was another point I disagreed with. I almost never report players for KB mod, and when I do, it's usually just a little addition such as "he was mostly using reach, but if it even matters, he used a KB mod as well". KB is inconsistent on Badlion, especially in speed 2, so trying to argue that someone used a KB mod can make me look dumb sometimes. I hardly find ANYONE's KB to be sketchy, and when I do, it's some straight up blatant, nearly antikb settings.

The part I hit him out of reach, he was holding S trying to go backwards. He was purposely trying to take more KB to get away from me while he ate. Of course using a movement such as that would make me look further away than I actually was; if he were holding w instead it wouldn't have looked like that. Also, I don't even find myself sketchy when I watch myself from 2nd person, and I'm always wondering what happened to all the combos I thought I got.

Surely you'd think there's some sort of bias going on here since I know I'm legit, but I really don't find myself sketchy at all, and even putting both of our perspectives right next to each other and watching at the same time, I don't get hits nearly as stupid as armoda was getting them.

iHackLiTE wrote

A legit hit/combo will both look and feel legit.

A laggy hit/combo will both look and feel laggy.

An impossible hit/combo will both look and feel impossible.


Perhaps I'm simply stubborn
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love me a minecraft essay on block game cheaters that will be wiped out when premium comes out but hey!
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Haris wrote

love me a minecraft essay on block game cheaters that will be wiped out when premium comes out but hey!

Well, you've come to the right spot!
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iHackLiTE wrote

Haris wrote...


Well, you've come to the right spot!


Don't worry, Mr.LiTE, all your problems will be solved on January 30th :) Have a good night sir.
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Haris wrote

iHackLiTE wrote...



Don't worry, Mr.LiTE, all your problems will be solved on January 30th :) Have a good night sir.

Night time, but not bed time!
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@iHackLiTE your not getting anythwere with this arguement, I would just stop looking like an asshat if I were you. More and more people are starting to agree with bean and freekkiller, I don't see anyone taking your side here. I highly doubt you'll beat a GCheat admin in a debate focused around cheating.
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iHackLiTE wrote

Unshift wrote...


no its a thread questioning why staff deny my reports for being first person when it's clearly enough proof

that actually has nothing to do with this thread, im not sure where you got that from. i didnt make a single assumption throughout the entire post
every thread you make about cheating or related topics without fail gravitate toward the subjects you think are cheating, one way or another. In the first two pages alone, there's already a huge argument about Bean/Armoda. It's probably not consciously done or purposeful, though.
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