Posted on 01 February 2017 - 03:03 PM
Moved.Posted on 01 February 2017 - 03:12 PM
EhhThing wrote
Verillium wrote...
The top players left because they couldn't take advantage of MMR and there are plenty of good changes in which months later, people still complain about.
Posted on 01 February 2017 - 03:13 PM
Can you explain what's wrong with the staff team?Posted on 01 February 2017 - 03:19 PM
Automatically DeletedPosted on 01 February 2017 - 03:23 PM
Verillium wrote
What? Back in s12 you could farm 1300's all day until you were over 2000 ELO. With the current system you can hardly queue silvers if you're in a decently high skillgroup. Think you mixed those two up.
Last edited on 01 February 2017 - 03:38 PM by Devoker
TakeMySoul wrote
EhhThing wrote...
You're not even playing arena but you argue with a top player. You don't know anything about competitive pvp and how trash arena became. It was 10 times easier for me to kill a 2400 elo player than a gold 1 and that's bs
What the fuck? Am I blanking or did you just make an argument against yourself… If it was that much easier to kill a 2400 it just means that the Elo system was broken and they didn't have high Elo because they were good. It was because they farmed 1300s on like na4 at 10 pm.
Last edited on 01 February 2017 - 03:39 PM by Just_Ben03
TakeMySoul +1Posted on 01 February 2017 - 03:39 PM
TakeMySoul wrote
The server which was the best server for PvP, the one which was competitive and fun in the same time, the one with a clean community and good staff.
Badlion's player base dropped hard af and that's not because kids have school or stopped playing Minecraft. It is because the ignorance of the owners. The owners who fucked the whole rating / queue system, the whole competitve aspect of the game and the pvp itself.
"You don't know how much work the staff members do". Well, in this case it would've be better if they didn't do anything to s12.
The owners used Premium as an excuse because the server became trash and they know that very well. Now the server has more hackers at 2k players than it had at 13k. Ghost clients are being updated every week but GCheat didn't get updated since s12 and Premium is not an excuse anymore.
You ignored Karlixon's thread about bringing back the elo / queue system which had a shit ton of support because "it is never coming back".T
You know what else is not coming back on your server? Those 10k players. You're ignoreing good ideas and approve the retarded ones like sg 2.1 and the arena kb being good. I don't know what was so hard to keep s11 / 12. The funny part of this whole story is that you're joking about server being shit without looking at your own server. I think that's why it became shit and you put a limited amount of unranked matches, right? Because it brings no more money to you anymore. That's why you invented Badlion Premium and used is as an excuse. Premium will be clear for max 1 month but after that somebody will find out a new sort of ghost client that your anti cheat won't find and it will become as trash as the public server is now. If you want to say that the public Badlion is without hackers then look at the leaderboards. Who the fuck are those kids? SkyAlt played till Diamond and then got banned manuel ( Not GCheated ) while using blatant settings. It's no wonder that players like Danteh and Doe left the game. Danteh who was the best player in s12 got only gold 1 this season before resetting his stats and randys like 90exe and other 9 year olds are masters. It makes no sense. When Badlion was great the leaderboards were the same for 2-3 seasons. The server started getting down after s12. If you want back those 10k players, better do something with your server or it will die faster than mcsg. I don't wanna talk about the kb and hit reg being shit because the staff players who play arena know that really well. If you're gonna keep ignoring the good ideas and approve the ones from the 1200 elo / silver IV players, good luck to make your server better than MCSG was.
Now I am just going to wait for the hate comments from the 8 year olds or silver IV players because they're the community now, right?
1. Considering badlion gets a few thousand people on almost all the time, even during school, I'm pretty sure the player base is fine. It dropped when school started.
2. The staff are fine lol
3. MMR is better than Elo in every way, can you explain how elo was better in any way?
4. GCheat is pretty damn good. There are times where it can't detect shit, but there's a TON less hackers than on other servers.
5. I see literally nothing wrong with the KB…
6. Limited unranked was kind of dumb imo.
7. If they have something that can scan your client, then it'll be very hard to bypass. People will eventually make a bypass, but it's not going to be just a downloadable one, they would probably sell it because of all the work that would go into cracking that.
8. The masters players are actually players who weren't very known, but are actually really good. You don't just get masters by being trash.
9. Danteh left because he got bored of the game, and I'm pretty sure Doe left because of his FPS.
10. The staff won't take a thread seriously from someone who can't spell, "ignoring" correctly.
Last edited on 02 February 2017 - 09:56 AM by Devoker
Skymonpro wrote
TakeMySoul wrote...
1. Considering badlion gets a few thousand people on almost all the time, even during school, I'm pretty sure the player base is fine. It dropped when school started.
2. The staff are fine lol
3. MMR is better than Elo in every way, can you explain how elo was better in any way?
4. GCheat is pretty damn good. There are times where it can't detect shit, but there's a TON less hackers than on other servers.
5. I see literally nothing wrong with the KB…
6. Limited unranked was kind of dumb imo.
7. If they have something that can scan your client, then it'll be very hard to bypass. People will eventually make a bypass, but it's not going to be just a downloadable one, they would probably sell it because of all the work that would go into cracking that.
8. The masters players are actually players who weren't very known, but are actually really good. You don't just get masters by being trash.
9. Danteh left because he got bored of the game, and I'm pretty sure Doe left because of his FPS.
10. The staff won't take a thread seriously from someone who can't spell, "ignoring" correctly.
Posted on 01 February 2017 - 03:46 PM
HalfCreeper wrote
Verillium wrote...
What? Back in s12 you could farm 1300's all day until you were over 2000 ELO. With the current system you can hardly queue silvers if you're in a decently high skillgroup. Think you mixed those two up.
although this is correct for ladders like build if ur a high rating in an unplayed ladder like debuff, when i was getting masters i rarely encountered people gold 1 or higher :(
Posted on 01 February 2017 - 03:52 PM
Automatically DeletedPosted on 01 February 2017 - 03:54 PM
People like you are actually really annoying though. All they want is season 11. Because they can't handle change. At least it's not going into 1.10 pvp.Last edited on 01 February 2017 - 04:05 PM by Archybot
I'm honestly getting sick of this community.You wanna know where you hear that ELO is better than MMR?
This community
Small subsections of the Chess community
You wanna know where you hear that MMR is better than ELO?
PhD/Masters disserations/thesis/research papers for computer science, statistics, and math
Every other game in existance
And this is purely in 1v1, there doesn't even exist ELO algorithms for games with 3 or more players. These people are smarter then you are, and these people have dedicated anywhere from a few years to decades researching shit like this. There are hundreds of papers on this, but we should listen to what the small spoiled minecraft pvp community that hates changes wants, instead of the established scientific facts and clearly set competitive gaming precedent.
Here are a few overall reasons why MMR is better then ELO
1. New players converge to their true rating slower in ELO then in MMR
2. ELO does not support any form of game with 3 or more people (unless you treat a 5v5 as a 1v1 in ratings, which can only be done when it's the same team over and over).
3. ELO does not account for anything besides win or loss.
4. ELO does not have built in systems for rating decay. (Since MMR slowly expands constantly, if you don't continue to play you'll lose your position on leaderboards)
5. ELO has no way to account for your skill reliability.
What ELO does have:
1. ELO can calculate your % to win any given match.
2. ELO is easier to implement.
3. NUMBERRRRRRR
At best, ELO is close to MMR in solely 1v1 (but still not better), but MMR has to be used in team games (such as PUG) and all FFA systems, so there is absolutely no reason to ever convert back to an inferior rating system and have two different systems across the network just to please a few butthurt crybabies. I'm honestly done with this argument and am about to make it a bannable offense to bitch about it. Move on to other things that are more important to complain about, which do exist on BL.
Posted on 01 February 2017 - 04:13 PM
HalfCreeper wrote
Verillium wrote...
What? Back in s12 you could farm 1300's all day until you were over 2000 ELO. With the current system you can hardly queue silvers if you're in a decently high skillgroup. Think you mixed those two up.
Yeah cause 2400s could grind 1300s too? If you were 1900 and able to consistently queue 1300s then that's incredible 'cause that never happened. And there was the 700 elo gap, so someone who's currently masters wouldn't be able to queue golds, but that's quite possible now. With the current rating I'm diamond 4 and can almost consisitently queue silvers and low golds.
Posted on 01 February 2017 - 04:22 PM
Verillium wrote
HalfCreeper wrote...
Yeah cause 2400s could grind 1300s too? If you were 1900 and able to consistently queue 1300s then that's incredible 'cause that never happened. And there was the 700 elo gap, so someone who's currently masters wouldn't be able to queue golds, but that's quite possible now. With the current rating I'm diamond 4 and can almost consisitently queue silvers and low golds.
I can change this to where you just sit in queue forever instead if you want
Posted on 01 February 2017 - 04:38 PM
Archybot wrote
Verillium wrote...
I can change this to where you just sit in queue forever instead if you want
I liked that because I had a better chance at fighting higher people and it felt more competitive but I wasn't one of those people who complained about queues :3
Posted on 01 February 2017 - 04:51 PM
@Archybot what about a rating system like Overwatch w/ clear numbers and tiers? how would that compare to the old elo and the new mmr systemsPosted on 01 February 2017 - 04:53 PM
Archybot wrote
Verillium wrote...
I can change this to where you just sit in queue forever instead if you want
Can you do this just for build and maybe nodebuff? Those are the only ladders that have enough people in them for this to work.
Last edited on 01 February 2017 - 05:07 PM by Archybot
Verillium wrote
It's pretty close already to the current MMR system… considering overwatch uses MMR with greater placement range.
I mean, each tier for overwatch other then GM and bronze are 500 points each. Each medal tier here is 5000 points (Bronze is 0-4999, silver is 5000-9999, gold is 10000 to 14999, etc). A silver 2 500 points is 8500.
Last edited on 01 February 2017 - 05:16 PM by Bourbong
99% of people who want MMR are shit at the game.Prove me wrong