Posted on 21 February 2017 - 08:40 PM
Don't remove it, it's a great gamemode just some things need to be changedPosted on 21 February 2017 - 08:47 PM
Ads_ wrote
It really isn't necessary in ranked anymore when you have Debuff as a ranked kit.
Posted on 21 February 2017 - 09:11 PM
No one plays it.Posted on 21 February 2017 - 09:45 PM
Bobbles wrote
People play debuff even less but it's staying??
Posted on 21 February 2017 - 10:21 PM
ravenatorman wrote
Bobbles wrote...
People play debuff even less but it's staying??
^^
Honestly Vanilla needs to stay Horse and Iron Soup are staying
Posted on 21 February 2017 - 10:27 PM
Great Horse and Vanilla are getting removed when it can happen. I mean it's real not fantasyVanilla
Basically like HCF fights
Vanilla fights but with Debuffs and potions
Horse
UHC related
These 2 kits should not be removed this is insane how there getting removed. I mean I hated Horse at first and now I like it. Vanilla is my 2nd favorite kit and other people's favorite kit. Please DONT REMOVE THEM
Posted on 21 February 2017 - 10:54 PM
ravenatorman wrote
Bobbles wrote...
People play debuff even less but it's staying??
Posted on 22 February 2017 - 08:42 AM
Vanilla and Horse need to stay honestlyPosted on 22 February 2017 - 09:38 AM
Moved to idea sectionPosted on 22 February 2017 - 10:12 AM
Ads_ wrote
Ads_ wrote...
It really isn't necessary in ranked anymore when you have Debuff as a ranked kit.
Debuff has Debuffs and so does Vanilla. But Vanilla has more potion effects, more debuffs and bows and rods. Debuff and Vanilla are not the same so that doesnt prove anything
Posted on 22 February 2017 - 07:21 PM
notEmendings wrote
Ads_ wrote...
Debuff has Debuffs and so does Vanilla. But Vanilla has more potion effects, more debuffs and bows and rods. Debuff and Vanilla are not the same so that doesnt prove anything
I didn't say they were the same, I said Vanilla doesn't have any unique skillsets. Debuffs you can learn from Debuff, healing you can learn from Debuff/NoDebuff, rod you can learn from SG/BuildUHC and so on. The fact that there are more potion effects doesn't make the skill unique, the hardest debuffs to play with are poison and slowness and they are both included in Debuff.
Also, it's the reasoning that Archybot gave to me when I asked, so if you want to argue it against him then you can and maybe he can explain better.
Posted on 22 February 2017 - 07:36 PM
ravenatorman wrote
Bobbles wrote...
People play debuff even less but it's staying??
Debuff is included in the Arena gamemode in PUG, so it isn't going to be removed from ranked. It plays well as a 5v5 kit and requires the same skills as NoDebuff with the extra skills of knowing how and when to debuff the opponents, and how to play while debuffed.
notEmendings wrote
Vanilla
Basically like HCF fights
Vanilla fights but with Debuffs and potions
Horse
UHC related
These 2 kits should not be removed this is insane how there getting removed. I mean I hated Horse at first and now I like it. Vanilla is my 2nd favorite kit and other people's favorite kit. Please DONT REMOVE THEM
I don't play much HCF and stuff, but I barely ever see people with debuffs in it, never mind regen, splash regen 2, bows and rods. It doesn't happen anymore. Horse ladder doesn't represent horse fights in UHCs very well at all, and horses are barely used anywhere else so it's a very niche skillset. If you want to practice horse it will still be in duels (and is apparently lovely to play on 128 TPS).
Vanilla and Horse both have only 1 player with Diamond rank (you could group Debuff with these two kits because there are two masters and then third place is Emerald II, but I've already explained why Debuff is staying). This alone shows that they are the two least popular kits. I personally think that this is because of the way people have learnt to play them. A lot of people use the rod in Vanilla now and that is found as an annoying part of the kit to most players, and most people don't actually try to bow in Horse, they just melee and due to the NCP and horse mechanics the melee fights are so random that people play a couple of games and decide they hate the kit.
I'm disappointed that both of these kits are being removed, but if the community miraculously decides that they want both of the kits to stay in ranked then it's too little too late unfortunately. Maybe in S16 if they get enough support, but I doubt that they will.