Posted on 15 July 2017 - 09:43 PM
I know that gcheat logs haven't ever sent out to people, excepting staff members. They're secret because they're showing what ur doing while pvping so if they're known they could be bypassed.So basically why I'm asking for them is that ur gcheat is able to do falsebans, even if we hadn't seen many of them in the past. But if there are falsebans: U could say that the player was cheating and there's no way for him to prove his innocence. (Just wanna add that mods write in appeals: I haven't seen enough evidence to ban u so I'm escalating to admin Level for them to check). What every admin could do now is looking in logs, not finding anything but instead of unbanning the player and gcheat doing another falseban, they tell him he was cheating and so they're gcheat's looking perfekt, not doing any falsebans.
Wouldn't it be a better decision to show gcheat logs to prove player were cheating?
I do not think player will Code Clients to Bypass gcheat, just because of the look of their logs.
Tell me ur thoughts!
Last edited on 15 July 2017 - 09:51 PM by Vaxd
1. Badlion gain's nothing from keeping legitimate player's banned so why would they lie?2. Telling people what checks they set off will show people who code clients what they need to improve to bypass gcheat, just because you don't think people will use the logs to try to bypass gcheat doesn't change that they will.
Posted on 15 July 2017 - 09:51 PM
Automatically DeletedPosted on 15 July 2017 - 10:02 PM
Vaxd wrote
2. Telling people what checks they set off will show people who code clients what they need to improve to bypass gcheat, just because you don't think people will use the logs to try to bypass gcheat doesn't change that they will.
Sure they show gcheat's perfect and keeping one or two innocent players banned won't be too much.
I also don't think that anyone will code a client that bypasses, just because nobody could act.
Posted on 15 July 2017 - 10:02 PM
PeterrParkerr wrote
Yep I've seen 3-4 guys. Nobody of them was in the last year so far I know…
Posted on 15 July 2017 - 10:11 PM
PrvdF3A wrote
Vaxd wrote...
Sure they show gcheat's perfect and keeping one or two innocent players banned won't be too much.
I also don't think that anyone will code a client that bypasses, just because nobody could act.
1. Keeping somebody who play's legit banned to make your anticheat seem perfect is a huge gamble that nobody with a brain would take, all it takes is one person to be able to show that they were 100% playing legitimately and then that server start's dying out because nobody is going to want to play a server where you can get false banned and stay banned. Also, Badlion has unbanned people who were false banned by gcheat before, what reason do they have to not unban others when they've already done it?
2. Say I was a ghost client developer, I code a client and want to see if my reach bypasses, I go and play Badlion and if I get banned I appeal, get shown the logs and then I know I need to improve my reach so it bypasses, that would keep happening until eventually everything bypassed.
Posted on 15 July 2017 - 10:22 PM
The amount of intelligence used in the making of this thread is off the chartsPosted on 15 July 2017 - 10:28 PM
KingBooger wrote
Does the player called KingBooger wanna tell me…
Posted on 15 July 2017 - 10:30 PM
Vaxd wrote
PrvdF3A wrote...
1. Keeping somebody who play's legit banned to make your anticheat seem perfect is a huge gamble that nobody with a brain would take, all it takes is one person to be able to show that they were 100% playing legitimately and then that server start's dying out because nobody is going to want to play a server where you can get false banned and stay banned. Also, Badlion has unbanned people who were false banned by gcheat before, what reason do they have to not unban others when they've already done it?
2. Say I was a ghost client developer, I code a client and want to see if my reach bypasses, I go and play Badlion and if I get banned I appeal, get shown the logs and then I know I need to improve my reach so it bypasses, that would keep happening until eventually everything bypassed.
Gcheat doesnt ban because of an amount of reach. It detects the client in another way, but act a good point of keeping looks as a secret.
+1
Posted on 15 July 2017 - 11:37 PM
PrvdF3A wrote
KingBooger wrote...
Does the player called KingBooger wanna tell me…
Does the man with the suggestion to leak all of GCheat's codes to developers to modify and create sister anticheats to draw players away from Badlion want to tell me? Or the person who is blindly opening logs to ghost client developers to make an unbeatable client want to tell me?
Sorry for coming off rude but honestly this is just ignorant
Posted on 16 July 2017 - 03:48 AM
No. This isn't even close to fair. If someone wasn't cheating, they deserve to be unbanned. Banning players isn't about proving the anti-cheat is the best, but rather keeping cheaters off the server. If an innocent player is accidently banned, then the mistake is corrected, and they deserve to be unbanned because they didn't cheat.Plus, Badlion could probably get into some serious legal trouble if a donor were to get false banned, and then told they weren't cheating (without any evidence).
Posted on 16 July 2017 - 04:23 AM
This kid has the brains of @AstoundingLast edited on 16 July 2017 - 06:43 AM by HalfCreeper
This is a bad idea because:1. You don't know what GCheat logs mean and what the checks do.
2. You can't be certain that we don't just type up the logs ourselves.
3. Cheat developers will take advantage of it and try to reverse-engineer GCheat.
You'll just have to trust our sense of judgement and realize that keeping legit players banned is pointless to us. If there even as much as a chance that someone got falsely banned then we give them the benefit of the doubt. We don't hold GCheat up to the ridiculous expectations you think we do, and we have no problem admitting when something goes wrong with it (as we have done many times in the past).