Last edited on 26 August 2017 - 05:55 PM by Kikzo

I had this idea in mind for quite some times, but never felt an urgent need to post this, but due to recent events I came to the conclusion that it's about time to do something against the tremendous amount of blatant cheaters which are allowed to play for weeks and even months without getting caught.

The problem itself is pretty easy: Cheaters and the failure to catch them. Not trying to sound harsh at all - but the problem is caused by a mixture between GCheat being outdated and the incompetence of sr staff or above.

About GCheat: To be honest with you I'm not really familiar with other servers' Anti-Cheats, as Badlion is pretty much the only server I play. I've seen you guys advertising GCheat as the best Anti-Cheat to exist and still exist. That may be true, it has done a great job in present and especially in the past, however seeing a cheater being caught by GCheat is relatively rare nowadays compared to the amount of cheaters being banned by GCheat 2-3 years ago. So there are a lot of clients that bypass GCheat, so staff manually needs to deal with the cheaters one by one, which leads to the next issue.

About staff: I never really had a problem with staff not doing their job, in fact I believe the Arena staff team is doing a great job; they're usually very active and quickly reply if there's an issue or a question. But if there's one thing which they're bad at it's banning cheaters. I completely agree that borderline evidences should not be accepted, in dubio pro reo. However the amount of blatant and I mean BLATANT stuff that gets denied, is ridiculous. Best example is this: https://youtu.be/G_9-edxXIRk.

I personally play Arena on a regular basis and I know how cheats look like and how to spot them, if staff members don't play PvP much and are not too familiar with these clients - fair enough. However, nobody (!) in the Sr. staff team or above is known as a good and active Arena player (except for ginie1 if you take away the active and HalfCreeper), and that's why so many blatant cheaters don't get banned. It bothers me if someone that's way below average PvP level denies my report if the person in the video is clearly cheating and I'm not the only one. There are people on the leaderboards who are known for cheating, yet they've been playing for months and are still not banned. (Hello fernando/wegedit I'm referring to you)

And I understand that it's not easy to find people who are good at PvP and would make a good staff member. Therefore I'd suggest some sort of an anti-cheater council, formed by active, dedicated, good and preferably known players, which know how to spot cheats better than the staff members.

The way how this could work is by creating a discord, adding the ACC members and letting them discuss cheater reports, which appear to be not clear enough for the sr. staff team. Obviously the staff members make the final decisions, but it would definitely be helpful for them to gather opinions by people who know more about the game then they do.

Let me know what you guys think!

Posted on 26 August 2017 - 05:50 PM

yes i agree because its from kikzo

Last edited on 26 August 2017 - 06:03 PM by DerRevilos

GCheat: https://www.badlion.net/punishments
Is this rare?

Staff: No offense but you don't need to be a good PvPer to see if someone is cheating in Minecraft or not.
You are reffering to 1 person evidence here. First person evidence for ka/ff is shit in 90%. There's FOV and especially connection that make stuff look exactly like cheats but they aren't. We only ban if the 1 person evidence is 100% showing someone cheating.

We would rather have a cheater on Badlion a bit longet than banning innocent players.
Imo this makes out a good staff team.

See no point in the council. Just a waste of time when Seniors make the final call.

Posted on 26 August 2017 - 06:32 PM

https://youtu.be/Vvp0d7T4Jg8
https://youtu.be/zGx9x1ep30c
https://youtu.be/OKDRcVydEHc

Just 3 examples out of thousands that got denied. And quite logically you do need to be a good and active player to be aware of current cheats, nearly every top player has complained about staff denying obvious cheats at least once. And seems like you can't read either, I was referring to the 1 on 1 comparison of GCheat nowadays and GCheat 2-3 years ago. Seeing a cheater getting banned by GCheat is RARE compared to the same scenario a few years ago, because it's outdated and clients are more advanced.
First person evidence isn't always shit, depends on the person uploading, third person evidences are WAY, WAY WORSE.

Cheating without getting caught is just way too easy and you guys refuse to understand

Posted on 26 August 2017 - 07:18 PM

idk how I feel about this idea. I mean a few more cheaters would get banned but not really that many more, and a lot more false bans would happen

for instance, a couple of months ago, my pc was moved so I had to use personal hotspot. As a funny video, I dueled my friend DaddyTylarzz/DantehisDaddy with my 100ms that spiked quite a few times

https://youtu.be/9jpS0Rg7gLY

in that video it looks like he's blatantly cheating, but it was just my lag. so ye this wouldn't really help

Posted on 26 August 2017 - 07:36 PM

My last post on this thread.
o/

Posted on 26 August 2017 - 08:07 PM

Making a bunch of non-experienced cheat detectors in charge of determining what is/isn't cheating will not even work, and will most likely just cause a bunch of false bans to happen.

I do agree that staff, and more higher ups, whould try to competitively play the game more so they have the same level of game sense as competitive players. But, detecting cheats is an entirely different skill that isn't even reliant on competitive skill.

Look, nobody is perfect, and the system isn't perfect. There will always be flaws, and some people may slip through the cracks. Of course, it isn't ok to just let people slip through, but the staff team needs to inprove with every mistake that comes along with it. Just remember, we're only human, and if you want to make that difference yourself, you should apply for staff yourself. If you want to make the senior team better, work your way up to senior after that.

Posted on 27 August 2017 - 03:09 PM

look at my mutes how am i supposed to get staff xd

Last edited on 27 August 2017 - 03:43 PM by OUA

Don't see the point of making council when there is senior staff, I have doubts about couple mods being able to detect/ban hackers but that's where senior staff comes in to fix mistakes so what makes you think that couple players can do a better job than senior staff?

Also first and even third person evidence have flaws, for example I have 120 ms to badlion eu and got false banned by mod thankfully senior staff saw it and banned however I get why the mod thought i was cheating. in my opinion they have a good system and you never know with kids these days they probably dislike someone and maybe they would ban him.

Posted on 27 August 2017 - 03:48 PM

However i think there should be a check up on the staff team by the admins to make sure they are doing a good job.

Posted on 27 August 2017 - 03:52 PM

If you actually are good at seeing if someones cheating or not you can easily tell if it is latency or not

Posted on 27 August 2017 - 03:54 PM

I will pm you a video of the video that got me banned

Posted on 27 August 2017 - 04:01 PM

Experienced players will know what's just laggy hits and what's actually cheats, I see the most stupidly obvious reports on cheaters being denied and thesr people that deny them usually are the ones that aren't very experienced.

Badlion need more people like halfcreeper to deal with reports, I don't think I ever saw him deny something ridiculously obvious like a lot of arena mods have. On top of that he's actually been playing at a high level for ages so he's familiar with what extent the game is broken, so he doesnt fall for dumb lag excuses

Posted on 27 August 2017 - 04:02 PM

While I was staff on this server I personally saw even seniors make poor decisions on appeals and reports.

Last edited on 27 August 2017 - 04:06 PM by OUA

@HDNN

maybe they did they are only humans