Posted on 26 October 2017 - 09:01 PM

I orginially wanted to reply this to this thread: https://www.badlion.net/forum/thread/193295
The thread that I wanted to reply to had some things about the youtubers that went to ultra so thats why my rant in the beginning is not related to the thread. I will be disecting the playerbase and such in this thread.

We don't need them losers on badlion anymore. Filthy scums literally stealing all of badlion's ideas. What did you think Mentally did. He had the idea of ultra when he was a partner and when he decided that badlion was getiing really shit, he quickly started Ultra saying it was the best UHC server and then people started playing ultra. Badlion's fill of 700 in a cc tb game went to a 100. Then badlion 6.0 came out and balanced the server usually having badlion at the top. But what did the divide do? It completely reduced the uhc community. With an ultra game and a badlion game fill usually is about 600 combined. I will explain the fills in more depth.

Weekday fills - AFTER COMMUNITY SPLIT when ultra was a thing, around august/september

3:00 CST EU & 3:30 CST NA game(if you want 6:00 CST game, add like 20 to 40 to it.)
Badlion EU FFA: 300-350
Badlion eu team game: 170-220

BadLion NA team game = 150-200
Badlion NA FFA = 250-350

Ultra ffa 240-290
another ultra ffa= 180-220
ultra team game = 150-200

Before the spilt

Weekday Badlion:
3:00 CST EU GAME
If the eu ffa was CC and team game was vannila+
FFA EU CC = 300-55-
team game eu v+ = 300-400

If eu team game was cc and ffa was v+
Team game= 300-450
ffa = 275-450 depending on if it was a bad gamemode such as absorptionless, or good gamemode such as tb.

The NA 3:30 CST games were similar subtract 20 at the most from each divison.

From the comparison of Badlion vs Badlion/Ultra =

When Badlion 6.0 came out, badlion was winning again.
So when the split happened, badlion had 995 players playing uhc on both regions, maybe add a 150 if SA is counted as well.
Ultra had about 640 players in a uhc on average. right before they stopped the server.

When Badlion 5.0 was a thing, badlion itself got 1480 players on average on a weekday. I am not even going to mention weekends as the fills of eu ff cc tb got to 750. Anyway as we can see the community did grow when the split happend but THAT IS NOT ALL. 1635 might be more than 1480. That is a big increase since not all uhc players can play uhc at the same time, but badlion is the only thing now. Badlion fills have not changed a dramatic amount since ultra died. Maybe add a 10 to each catagory. That makes badlion now having a little 1000 players on weekdays, 1300 on weekends(did not mention this calculation, you can calculate this on your own. vs their 1480 players on weekdays, and 2000-2100 players in the weekend.

So what did the Split do?

In conclusion, after the community split, there were some growth in terms of playerbase from 1480 badlion 5.0 to 1630 with badlion and ultra combined. After the ultra stopped, badlion is has not grown significantly due to the ultra fanboi's and supporters of ultra that have forgotten their past with 5.0 and have closed minds that ultra is the best. SO what did the community split do? We lost players because of it. Community spilts should never happen.

Posted on 27 October 2017 - 02:52 AM

I completely agree with you!

Posted on 27 October 2017 - 02:54 AM

Nice!

Last edited on 27 October 2017 - 11:27 AM by UVpickles

Well put! Any ways to fix it in your opinion?

Posted on 28 October 2017 - 12:56 PM

As I said, we can't have random servers like ultra and Venix which are not established servers trying to get players and trying to eliminate badlion, because in the end, since they are not established, they will close, and it will just cause a big loss and player count.

Posted on 28 October 2017 - 01:52 PM

It's pretty sad that people will always be making random servers because they want that bit of $$

Posted on 30 October 2017 - 06:10 PM

I hope the community will understand better because today I witnessed a horrible event on badlion. Just cause the 3:30 Na game was 15 min late, only 170 people played a 6.0 ffa. I mean that is insane, before in 5.0 badlion, na games cc ffa games got 400 even if it was late. The divide made a lot of people quit.

Posted on 30 October 2017 - 07:51 PM

Great explanation is this fixable tho? Or is it something that will continue to happen when new hyped servers come along?

Posted on 30 October 2017 - 08:12 PM

Well said.

Posted on 30 October 2017 - 08:33 PM

it is fixable if badlion makes something great that will bring back players. In my opinion, Badlion 2.0 was a great launch with so many cool features, but it didn't get that many players or advertisment. I feel like the launch of venix got a lot more support/players than badlion 2.0. To bring back where badlion was before, Badlion needs to find a better way to advertise because currently, its working as expected. Also badlion needs to update gcheat! I know this has been requested before and plans have been made on this, but badlion needs to fix it. I am sorry for pointing out gcheat, but we can't have blantant hackers playing on badlion anymore. If badlion does not want to update gcheat, they can promote the BAC clients. I so far like approach of the BAC client, because I have heard that it is currently going through patches that it will look a lot cleaner and be more simplistic,like cheatbreaker. If the new BAC client with the new looks is advertised properly, then we can look at atleast an increase of 1000 players server wise. I know there are multiple other problems that badlion already has like rod kb, 100*100 is aids, etc. I dont need to go in depth with them since they have been requested multiple times.

Posted on 30 October 2017 - 10:17 PM

Edit: I did some research and found out the relationship that if more famous streamers are streaming, then there are more players. This also has a big impact on player count. I think badlion has been accidentally counting on tylarzz's friend group, because when tylarzz streamed a badlion game this week, the fills were a bit larger. Same with reb and jd. Nikolai did not have an impact. Suchspeed did not have an impact. But the first 3 did though. Also you might argue that the Spanish streamers are also racking people, but take this into consideration. The Spanish community in badlion is growing fast, but badlion is losing English players faster. When the fills back when it was only badlion, I would say atleast 75% of the game on Na servers were English. Rest were Spanish. Now it's the complete opposite. The problem is that there were more English players than Spanish players. i don't know any way badlion could fix the English streamer problem. Maybe badlion could lessen even more with rules than they did a couple days ago. Maybe like 1k followers or subs?

Posted on 31 October 2017 - 07:35 AM

Very well said

Posted on 31 October 2017 - 01:20 PM

Are people still genuinely upset about this rofl there is a reason why people left. What if everyone who did leave was always looking for somewhere else good to play, but there was never an opportunity until ultra?

Posted on 31 October 2017 - 05:36 PM

Well that's their decision, but ultra is gone now.

Posted on 01 November 2017 - 10:00 PM

Lol did ultra just delete there server because it died or what?