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Badlion UHC | Current Situation, Problems & Solutions
Posted on 12 November 2017 - 01:31 PM
Pika12LP wrote
Hacheee wrote...
No
I also say no
Posted on 12 November 2017 - 01:54 PM
I hope you know minimap is allowed on Badlion…. it’s literally a mod on their clientPosted on 12 November 2017 - 01:55 PM
Ads_ wrote
Pika12LP wrote...
I also say no
I agree with the white male with black hair that appears to be wearing the graceful color pink who says no which I approve whoms message that he speaks of
Posted on 12 November 2017 - 02:36 PM
Limeintine wrote
Ads_ wrote...
I agree with the white male with black hair that appears to be wearing the graceful color pink who says no which I approve whoms message that he speaks of
You're so Lime
Posted on 12 November 2017 - 03:32 PM
-1 if there are smaller caves and less ores xrayers will be full diamond and the legit people notLast edited on 12 November 2017 - 04:07 PM by SolrRaze
I have had to post this on the forums before, SS'ing is ineffective. You may think Ultra was cheater free but it really wasnt, many of the staff actually didn't know how to SS and those who did weren't always on so it was quite stressful for during the game if the host had to screenshare someone. I have been staff on plenty of servers that SS and I can honestly say that badlion's way of getting evidence of cheaters is very effective compared to SS'ing. Yes, if someone is a very good screensharer they can find things such as vape and autoclickers but there are not many experienced SS'ers that would come to Badlion and train staff on how to SS. It is quite evident that on servers that screenshare that there is a very large portion of the players cheating (using ghost clients,autoclickers) which is why the PotPvP community is known for being full of cheaters.-1 for screensharing.
EDIT: I am not shit-talking ultra in my comment about how the staff didn't know how to SS, I was staff on Ultra so I am simply recalling the truth.
Posted on 12 November 2017 - 05:04 PM
First I wanna say that some ore rates already has been lowered. 2nd Screensharing won't happen on badlion since we staff aren't fans of so called "Invasion of privacy" which is what you do when screensharing. 3rd Jaynou is iped. Also badlion isn't getting less and less players everyday. Also the assumption that "70% of all cheaters are german", is wrong, especially when the larger part of the uhc community is german (around 50%). The amount of hosts has gone up as well, so and most people are no longer trials = more games will get claimed. To me this looks like a little you have written down all mentally's points in his video, and just kinda made them your own. I agree with you on the trucing part, but change will come soon don't worry. The xrayer number is also WAY lower in 6.0 than 5.0 since it isn't as worth to xray on 6.0Last edited on 12 November 2017 - 06:35 PM by Riccardoe
Trucing rules really need an updateLast edited on 12 November 2017 - 09:44 PM by okl0u
+1 I liked 5.0 ore rates but hated the size of the caves. I feel like ss'ing would be nice but is never going to happen because I have had so many hosts say not enough evidence when it's blatant just not enough pieces, so I feel like people should be able to ban off of less evidence but that's just me. One less thing we need less books and less damage from bedbombs, plus xp is way too high still.Posted on 12 November 2017 - 11:31 PM
Limeintine wrote
Ads_ wrote...
I agree with the white male with black hair that appears to be wearing the graceful color pink who says no which I approve whoms message that he speaks of
Did u just assume my color!
Posted on 13 November 2017 - 02:16 AM
I disagree. Badlions player count is not dropping, it’s actually rising. Also Badlion will never SS and since (as what was stated before) servers that SS happen to have a very high occurrence of ghost clients. Now I’m not exactly sure why that is but I have a few ideas on why that may be. I think because the server is advertising itself as being screenshare friendly many users of clients will come on to see if their client can “bypass” the ss.Posted on 13 November 2017 - 03:36 AM
Louiie wrote
First I wanna say that some ore rates already has been lowered. 2nd Screensharing won't happen on badlion since we staff aren't fans of so called "Invasion of privacy" which is what you do when screensharing. 3rd Jaynou is iped. Also badlion isn't getting less and less players everyday. Also the assumption that "70% of all cheaters are german", is wrong, especially when the larger part of the uhc community is german (around 50%). The amount of hosts has gone up as well, so and most people are no longer trials = more games will get claimed. To me this looks like a little you have written down all mentally's points in his video, and just kinda made them your own. I agree with you on the trucing part, but change will come soon don't worry. The xrayer number is also WAY lower in 6.0 than 5.0 since it isn't as worth to xray on 6.0
Posted on 13 November 2017 - 05:33 AM
+1Posted on 13 November 2017 - 06:00 AM
Louiie wrote
First I wanna say that some ore rates already has been lowered. 2nd Screensharing won't happen on badlion since we staff aren't fans of so called "Invasion of privacy" which is what you do when screensharing. 3rd Jaynou is iped. Also badlion isn't getting less and less players everyday. Also the assumption that "70% of all cheaters are german", is wrong, especially when the larger part of the uhc community is german (around 50%). The amount of hosts has gone up as well, so and most people are no longer trials = more games will get claimed. To me this looks like a little you have written down all mentally's points in his video, and just kinda made them your own. I agree with you on the trucing part, but change will come soon don't worry. The xrayer number is also WAY lower in 6.0 than 5.0 since it isn't as worth to xray on 6.0
You are right ^^
Posted on 13 November 2017 - 06:46 AM
ItsNotTene wrote
I disagree. Badlions player count is not dropping, it’s actually rising. Also Badlion will never SS and since (as what was stated before) servers that SS happen to have a very high occurrence of ghost clients. Now I’m not exactly sure why that is but I have a few ideas on why that may be. I think because the server is advertising itself as being screenshare friendly many users of clients will come on to see if their client can “bypass” the ss.
True, but also youtubers such as PhaseClan bypassing ss's and bypassing anticheats on videos while endorsing the client might have an impact as well. This has happened on badlion as well but I am fairly certain GCheat banned him fairly quickly anyway.
Last edited on 13 November 2017 - 08:21 AM by Sven989
Louiie wrote
First I wanna say that some ore rates already has been lowered. 2nd Screensharing won't happen on badlion since we staff aren't fans of so called "Invasion of privacy" which is what you do when screensharing. 3rd Jaynou is iped. Also badlion isn't getting less and less players everyday. Also the assumption that "70% of all cheaters are german", is wrong, especially when the larger part of the uhc community is german (around 50%). The amount of hosts has gone up as well, so and most people are no longer trials = more games will get claimed. To me this looks like a little you have written down all mentally's points in his video, and just kinda made them your own. I agree with you on the trucing part, but change will come soon don't worry. The xrayer number is also WAY lower in 6.0 than 5.0 since it isn't as worth to xray on 6.0
From my point of view, Badlion would be better with less rates that what they reduced recently and less size of caves
Posted on 13 November 2017 - 08:19 AM
ItsNotTene wrote
I disagree. Badlions player count is not dropping, it’s actually rising. Also Badlion will never SS and since (as what was stated before) servers that SS happen to have a very high occurrence of ghost clients. Now I’m not exactly sure why that is but I have a few ideas on why that may be. I think because the server is advertising itself as being screenshare friendly many users of clients will come on to see if their client can “bypass” the ss.
Badlion has rised a little since Ultra died. And Badlion UHC used to get like 400+ players per game 1-2 years ago
Last edited on 13 November 2017 - 09:30 AM by Labersack_
Hacheee wrote
Hello everyone,
With this post I just want to give my opinion of the current situation of Badlion UHC. I'll divide this thread in 3 parts, in which I'll talk first about the current situation, then about the problems and finally the solutions. All of this thoughts are given from my point of view.
1) Current Badlion Situation
• Looking from the view of an EU Player, UHC is unplayable. Everybody use X-Ray, Radar, Minimap and also Cheat, and the 70% of the people that use this players are Germans. Also, when you are in 50x50 there are like 10 players, in which, 7 of them are Germans that are trucing every game. Now, lots of this players are getting banned like
Zisstrixx76,Jaynou or Katoo, but they are low duration bans and when they finish they continue trucing again. This is why, Badlion EU UHC is the death.
With this post I just want to give my opinion of the current situation of Badlion UHC. I'll divide this thread in 3 parts, in which I'll talk first about the current situation, then about the problems and finally the solutions. All of this thoughts are given from my point of view.
1) Current Badlion Situation
• Looking from the view of an EU Player, UHC is unplayable. Everybody use X-Ray, Radar, Minimap and also Cheat, and the 70% of the people that use this players are Germans. Also, when you are in 50x50 there are like 10 players, in which, 7 of them are Germans that are trucing every game. Now, lots of this players are getting banned like
Zisstrixx76,Jaynou or Katoo, but they are low duration bans and when they finish they continue trucing again. This is why, Badlion EU UHC is the death.
I agree with saying that there are some cheaters but how do you know 70% of them are germans? Just because your stereotype of a german is a cheating Minecraft player does not mean that there are 70% cheating germans in every game. Talking about trucing, yes it is right that there are some german communities who are trucing but funny that you just mention the germans although I see spanish and french people trucing as well so where is the point! Why don't you just say "ban all germans" because that's the way you are arguing! There was absolutely no point in specifying cheaters/teamers and trucers as germans… Yes I agree there are german cheaters but maybe that is because there are, according to you, 70% of germans, so yes obviously when there are 70% germans in the game, 70% of the banned players are germans, makes sense right?
sorry but this is just annoying
Hacheee wrote
And now, talking about all regions. Badlion is getting everyday less players, and if people still play on Badlion it is because there isn't other server that they could play. If there aren't YTs that play on Badlion and record videos, Badlion is never getting his fame back, and actually, only few YTs like the new Badlion UHC style. Badlion is unenjoyable because, as Mentally explained on one of his recent videos, before 6.0, everybody could win with different strategies. Rex, snowballing. Suchspeed, bordering. Mentally, grinding levels on nether. This were few of lots of strategies that people used for winning UHCs. But now, UHC is really monotonous. You just need to cave until 500x500 Border, and get Full P3 and Sharp5.
First of all I only saw Badlions player count rising in the last couple of months since Badlion 6.0 came out but whatever.
Talking about Mentally's video, yes I agree in many ways with him but it is not that easy. There are reasons why we increased the diamond- and orerate in general! Mostly that x-rayers don't have a big advantage anymore!
Hacheee wrote
2) Problems
1. So much truce in the games.
2. Still lots of people that X-Ray, Radar or use Minimap, with 6.0 caves.
3. Caves are incredible bigger.
4. So many: diamonds, gold, redstone and lapis.
5. Just one strategy that works for winning an UHC.
6. There are just few hosts.
3) Solutions
1. Badlion Staff, is banning lots of people that truce at this point. But the bans are really low of duration and they player that got banned doesn't care too much because he is getting unbanned in 1 week.
2. Start SSing. Is the only way that Badlion get 0 cheaters or x-rayers. Ultra was defined like one of the most legit servers thanks to that, thanks to the SS. I am not saying that you need to copy Ultra, but SS is a nice form to reduce a lot the cheaters.
3. Don't make infinite caves. I mean, make big caves but caves that are not always connected with each other.
4. Reducing the size of caves also will reduce the rate of ores. And that will be possible to make nice Snowballs on Overworld or Nether.
5. Doing all of this things, it will be viable to make different strategies for winning UHCs.
6. Try to get more hosts. And try to get 3 people hosting every UHC.
I hope that Badlion will change to something like what I said, that is what most of people want.
Thank you for reading.
1. The players who get banned don't usually think they are teaming. Only some players team on purpose and try to hide the fact they are teaming but the majority of trucers/teamers don't consider their behaviour as teaming. If we would increase the ban length only some players would be scared at all but it won't stop the teaming/trucing and intentional cleaning in 100x100 at all!
2. Sry but that is just a meme. There were a ton of cheaters on Ultra. Saying there were no cheaters and Ultra was one of the most legit server is just wrong. Mentally even said it in his video. (go to 6:20)
Also since SS'ing takes sometimes about 30minutes it would be completely useless in a UHC because there would nobody watching the game then!
—-> Saying you could reduce that with more hosts might be true, but since there are 70% cheates in a game you would need about 300 Hosts screensharing at the same time in order to make it kind of usefull. I see absolutely no point in screensharing. Also SS'ing only gets the top of the cheaters banned but even with screensharing you will never catch every cheater. The only way in making Badlion a legit game is by having Badlion Client UHC's since there is no way in bypassing the Client!
3-4. Reducing the caves doesn't mean that you reduce the ore rates, they will just be more crampt together but I get what you mean. I agree in making caves smaller. I would love to have a mix between 5.0 and 6.0 caves with ore rates close to 5.0 but that will encourage x-rayer's to xray and since there won't be lava pits everywhere it will make cavefinding strong again. Right now Cavefinding is absolutely useless since you can dig straight down and you are already in a cave!
5. Yes but it will not stop cheaters!
6. Well we are always searching for hosts and we have never denied somebody because we said "The team is full". We always have reasons to deny someones application. So yeah, apply!!!: https://www.badlion.net/wiki/staff-applications !!!!!
Last edited on 13 November 2017 - 09:29 AM by Labersack_
Hacheee wrote
ItsNotTene wrote...
Badlion has rised a little since Ultra died. And Badlion UHC used to get like 400+ players per game 1-2 years ago
I don't know what "little" means but we managed to increase our player rate by about 250% from having 1000-1300 players in June to having about 3000 players at some points now. And that with almost no help of youtubers and streamers…
Posted on 13 November 2017 - 04:08 PM
Hacheee wrote
Hello everyone,
With this post I just want to give my opinion of the current situation of Badlion UHC. I'll divide this thread in 3 parts, in which I'll talk first about the current situation, then about the problems and finally the solutions. All of this thoughts are given from my point of view.
1) Current Badlion Situation
• Looking from the view of an EU Player, UHC is unplayable. Everybody use X-Ray, Radar, Minimap and also Cheat, and the 70% of the people that use this players are Germans. Also, when you are in 50x50 there are like 10 players, in which, 7 of them are Germans that are trucing every game. Now, lots of this players are getting banned like
Zisstrixx76,Jaynou or Katoo, but they are low duration bans and when they finish they continue trucing again. This is why, Badlion EU UHC is the death.
And now, talking about all regions. Badlion is getting everyday less players, and if people still play on Badlion it is because there isn't other server that they could play. If there aren't YTs that play on Badlion and record videos, Badlion is never getting his fame back, and actually, only few YTs like the new Badlion UHC style. Badlion is unenjoyable because, as Mentally explained on one of his recent videos, before 6.0, everybody could win with different strategies. Rex, snowballing. Suchspeed, bordering. Mentally, grinding levels on nether. This were few of lots of strategies that people used for winning UHCs. But now, UHC is really monotonous. You just need to cave until 500x500 Border, and get Full P3 and Sharp5.
2) Problems
1. So much truce in the games.
2. Still lots of people that X-Ray, Radar or use Minimap, with 6.0 caves.
3. Caves are incredible bigger.
4. So many: diamonds, gold, redstone and lapis.
5. Just one strategy that works for winning an UHC.
6. There are just few hosts.
3) Solutions
1. Badlion Staff, is banning lots of people that truce at this point. But the bans are really low of duration and they player that got banned doesn't care too much because he is getting unbanned in 1 week.
2. Start SSing. Is the only way that Badlion get 0 cheaters or x-rayers. Ultra was defined like one of the most legit servers thanks to that, thanks to the SS. I am not saying that you need to copy Ultra, but SS is a nice form to reduce a lot the cheaters.
3. Don't make infinite caves. I mean, make big caves but caves that are not always connected with each other.
4. Reducing the size of caves also will reduce the rate of ores. And that will be possible to make nice Snowballs on Overworld or Nether.
5. Doing all of this things, it will be viable to make different strategies for winning UHCs.
6. Try to get more hosts. And try to get 3 people hosting every UHC.
I hope that Badlion will change to something like what I said, that is what most of people want.
Thank you for reading.
With this post I just want to give my opinion of the current situation of Badlion UHC. I'll divide this thread in 3 parts, in which I'll talk first about the current situation, then about the problems and finally the solutions. All of this thoughts are given from my point of view.
1) Current Badlion Situation
• Looking from the view of an EU Player, UHC is unplayable. Everybody use X-Ray, Radar, Minimap and also Cheat, and the 70% of the people that use this players are Germans. Also, when you are in 50x50 there are like 10 players, in which, 7 of them are Germans that are trucing every game. Now, lots of this players are getting banned like
Zisstrixx76,Jaynou or Katoo, but they are low duration bans and when they finish they continue trucing again. This is why, Badlion EU UHC is the death.
And now, talking about all regions. Badlion is getting everyday less players, and if people still play on Badlion it is because there isn't other server that they could play. If there aren't YTs that play on Badlion and record videos, Badlion is never getting his fame back, and actually, only few YTs like the new Badlion UHC style. Badlion is unenjoyable because, as Mentally explained on one of his recent videos, before 6.0, everybody could win with different strategies. Rex, snowballing. Suchspeed, bordering. Mentally, grinding levels on nether. This were few of lots of strategies that people used for winning UHCs. But now, UHC is really monotonous. You just need to cave until 500x500 Border, and get Full P3 and Sharp5.
2) Problems
1. So much truce in the games.
2. Still lots of people that X-Ray, Radar or use Minimap, with 6.0 caves.
3. Caves are incredible bigger.
4. So many: diamonds, gold, redstone and lapis.
5. Just one strategy that works for winning an UHC.
6. There are just few hosts.
3) Solutions
1. Badlion Staff, is banning lots of people that truce at this point. But the bans are really low of duration and they player that got banned doesn't care too much because he is getting unbanned in 1 week.
2. Start SSing. Is the only way that Badlion get 0 cheaters or x-rayers. Ultra was defined like one of the most legit servers thanks to that, thanks to the SS. I am not saying that you need to copy Ultra, but SS is a nice form to reduce a lot the cheaters.
3. Don't make infinite caves. I mean, make big caves but caves that are not always connected with each other.
4. Reducing the size of caves also will reduce the rate of ores. And that will be possible to make nice Snowballs on Overworld or Nether.
5. Doing all of this things, it will be viable to make different strategies for winning UHCs.
6. Try to get more hosts. And try to get 3 people hosting every UHC.
I hope that Badlion will change to something like what I said, that is what most of people want.
Thank you for reading.
Interesting, this is just a summarised version of my indepth post I did a while ago. https://www.badlion.net/forum/thread/191186