Posted on 08 March 2018 - 03:01 PM
Radioactivebeans wrote
Shiftehh wrote...
If you don’t have anything meaningful to say can you not post here this is not the first time you doing this
lol what are you gonna do
Posted on 08 March 2018 - 03:14 PM
Shiftehh wrote
Radioactivebeans wrote...
lol what are you gonna do
I asked politely because you dont add anything to the conversation and are unnecesarry I can ask a mod if you want
Last edited on 08 March 2018 - 05:52 PM by Jinxful
Radioactivebeans wrote
Jinxful wrote...
Sadly it’s not that simple. If its common sense you can explain it. This is a weak argument frequently used by pro gun control people. You can’t make enormous decisions by ignoring data and using common sense instead. There is 0 statisical evidence to show that removing the second amendment or having stricter gun laws in the US would solve the problem. States with strictest gun laws in the US also have the highest gun crime rates. Despite the fact that the US has the most amount of guns in the world they only rank 28th in gun homicides. If you want to talk about mass shootings which is a very poor way of defining gun crime the US still has a lower rate compared to countries like Norway Finland and Switzerland which have strict gun laws. In the US guns have 500.000 to 3 million defensive uses each year and only around 13.000 people die by gun homicide. It’s not rocket science but it’s not as simple as you said either, it’s very important to look at statistics and facts before ripping peoples rights to protect themselves away.
I don’t see what the debate is. Talking about developed countries here, where guns are illegal there are few gun deaths.
Posted on 09 March 2018 - 07:51 AM
Jinxful wrote
Radioactivebeans wrote...
I don’t see what the debate is. Talking about developed countries here, where guns are illegal there are few gun deaths.
In countries like Ireland, England and Australia the gun ban did not have an affect on the murder rate. The pre-ban and post ban murder rates stayed the same if not increased. Acces to firearms is not linked with homicides, poverty and populated cities are.
Last edited on 09 March 2018 - 03:59 PM by Jinxful
Radioactivebeans wrote
Jinxful wrote...
In countries like Ireland, England and Australia the gun ban did not have an affect on the murder rate. The pre-ban and post ban murder rates stayed the same if not increased. Acces to firearms is not linked with homicides, poverty and populated cities are.
Last edited on 09 March 2018 - 02:31 PM by cringiecake
Jinxful wrote
Radioactivebeans wrote...
The United States is first, and foremost, a Constitutional Republic, NOT a 'democracy'.
Last edited on 09 March 2018 - 03:45 PM by Radioactivebeans
Jinxful wrote
Radioactivebeans wrote...
Did you even read what I said.
Posted on 09 March 2018 - 03:56 PM
cringiecake wrote
Jinxful wrote...
The United States is first, and foremost, a Constitutional Republic, NOT a 'democracy'.
Posted on 09 March 2018 - 05:09 PM
Jinxful wrote
cringiecake wrote...
Forgive me, I got the description wrong. I meant to say:
'The United States are, first and foremost, a Constitutional Republic'.
The bolded word implies plurality and that the states of the Union are free and semi-sovereign states with abilities to pass their own laws and legislature, and helps us infer that the jurisdiction of the federal government should be kept to a minimal.
It's also important to recognise that the founding fathers saw the fatal flaws of a pure Democracy (namely that people are stupid) and created measures to prevent tyranny of the masses; namely the three branches of government and the electoral college.
Read The Republic, very interesting views on Democracy on there (only interesting part of the dialogue).
Last edited on 10 March 2018 - 06:22 AM by Jinxful
cringiecake wrote
Jinxful wrote...
Forgive me, I got the description wrong. I meant to say:
'The United States are, first and foremost, a Constitutional Republic'.
The bolded word implies plurality and that the states of the Union are free and semi-sovereign states with abilities to pass their own laws and legislature, and helps us infer that the jurisdiction of the federal government should be kept to a minimal.
It's also important to recognise that the founding fathers saw the fatal flaws of a pure Democracy (namely that people are stupid) and created measures to prevent tyranny of the masses; namely the three branches of government and the electoral college.
Read The Republic, very interesting views on Democracy on there (only interesting part of the dialogue).
Posted on 10 March 2018 - 01:39 PM
Jinxful wrote
cringiecake wrote...
Saying you are on the right side doesn’t make you on the right side especially when you haven’t made any meaningful points. If the answer was obvious everyone would have the same answer but its not. There is no data to show that a gun ban would reduce murder rates
Posted on 10 March 2018 - 09:44 PM
Jinxful wrote
cringiecake wrote...
Last edited on 11 March 2018 - 06:07 AM by Jinxful
Radioactivebeans wrote
Jinxful wrote...
Saying you are on the right side doesn’t make you on the right side especially when you haven’t made any meaningful points. If the answer was obvious everyone would have the same answer but its not. There is no data to show that a gun ban would reduce murder rates[/quote
Why does America have the highest gun related deaths out of any developed country?
Last edited on 11 March 2018 - 08:43 AM by Radioactivebeans
Jinxful wrote
Radioactivebeans wrote...
1. The problem with firearm deaths is that it also includes suicide which is a majority of gun related deaths.
2. Again despite the fact that the US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world by a lot they rank 28th in all firearm deaths
%80 of all homicides in the US are gang related which form in big populated cities which is something the US has a lot of
Access to firearms is not an indicator of high crime rates however poverty is.
This is how the gun ban affected the UK and Ireland https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/207152/
The murder rate stayed basically unchanged