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Posted on 03 March 2018 - 10:32 AM

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God, fuck this community lmao. I've said it before and I'll say it again; this entire community is AIDs. I was a Community Manager during the whole backlash about "ELO IS BETTER THAN MMR" "FUCK BADLION" "BRING BACK ELO" and whatever the fuck, and when BL brought back Elo, I'm not gonna lie, I was unhappy. I never supported elo over MMR, always thought MMR is a better system and I still hold to that. But I thought it was a good move because at least in my eyes at the time from a PR perspective, it was great. They listened to the community and said "okay, we hear you, we'll bring it back FOR YOU GUYS." And now we're sitting here like "hey, remember all that shit we talked about Badlion for getting rid of Elo and implementing MMR because we thought MMR was trash? yeah we're sorry we actually like MMR Elo is shit lmao." Could you make up your minds? I don't remember exactly where but I recall seeing Archy state that the top 5 or 10 would be the exact same if we'd use Elo or MMR (not sure what season) by them actually running all the matches through both rating systems. Is that not telling that it really doesn't fucking matter? MMR is implemented in an entirely different manner when implemented as pure MMR, but Badlion didn't use pure MMR because that was shut down almost instantly (S13). Everyone hated it. The S14 MMR that everyone seemed to love was in many ways closer to Elo than it was MMR; win streaks no longer were a thing, the start had a larger fluctuation in rank yes but not significantly, and the match making could not have been at the standard it needed to be. Honestly, I don't think MMR was the best fit for Badlion, and think in many ways Elo is better. There is something to keep in mind when talking about Minecraft versus other large esports like Overwatch or Rocket League or CS:GO. Those games have a larger player base. As a result, you aren't always going to be matched against someone of your rank. MMR is super accurate against other people around your rank, but when it's people of entirely different ranks, it sucks. Climbing through Masters was often just farming on silvers and bronzes and constantly getting 14 points for it, which is straight up bad match making but at the same time what could Badlion have done? They don't have a population large enough that there's always a Masters player to fight the next guy with. So what you guys are asking for back is really just MMR with many changes to make it as close to elo as possible while being less effective because of the lower player count. Honestly, I think that it doesn't matter which rating system is implemented and if I had to pick one, well, I think in many ways it'd be Elo.
tl;dr: S14 MMR wasn't pure MMR, it was MMR made as close as possible to elo (afaik), and whichever rating system is implemented doesn't matter because the community will complain about it either way.

I didn't cry for elo at all like the community did, Iv'e always supported MMR. Also just +1 if you would prefer MMR.

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Posted on 03 March 2018 - 11:58 AM

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God, fuck this community lmao. I've said it before and I'll say it again; this entire community is AIDs. I was a Community Manager during the whole backlash about "ELO IS BETTER THAN MMR" "FUCK BADLION" "BRING BACK ELO" and whatever the fuck, and when BL brought back Elo, I'm not gonna lie, I was unhappy. I never supported elo over MMR, always thought MMR is a better system and I still hold to that. But I thought it was a good move because at least in my eyes at the time from a PR perspective, it was great. They listened to the community and said "okay, we hear you, we'll bring it back FOR YOU GUYS." And now we're sitting here like "hey, remember all that shit we talked about Badlion for getting rid of Elo and implementing MMR because we thought MMR was trash? yeah we're sorry we actually like MMR Elo is shit lmao." Could you make up your minds? I don't remember exactly where but I recall seeing Archy state that the top 5 or 10 would be the exact same if we'd use Elo or MMR (not sure what season) by them actually running all the matches through both rating systems. Is that not telling that it really doesn't fucking matter? MMR is implemented in an entirely different manner when implemented as pure MMR, but Badlion didn't use pure MMR because that was shut down almost instantly (S13). Everyone hated it. The S14 MMR that everyone seemed to love was in many ways closer to Elo than it was MMR; win streaks no longer were a thing, the start had a larger fluctuation in rank yes but not significantly, and the match making could not have been at the standard it needed to be. Honestly, I don't think MMR was the best fit for Badlion, and think in many ways Elo is better. There is something to keep in mind when talking about Minecraft versus other large esports like Overwatch or Rocket League or CS:GO. Those games have a larger player base. As a result, you aren't always going to be matched against someone of your rank. MMR is super accurate against other people around your rank, but when it's people of entirely different ranks, it sucks. Climbing through Masters was often just farming on silvers and bronzes and constantly getting 14 points for it, which is straight up bad match making but at the same time what could Badlion have done? They don't have a population large enough that there's always a Masters player to fight the next guy with. So what you guys are asking for back is really just MMR with many changes to make it as close to elo as possible while being less effective because of the lower player count. Honestly, I think that it doesn't matter which rating system is implemented and if I had to pick one, well, I think in many ways it'd be Elo.
tl;dr: S14 MMR wasn't pure MMR, it was MMR made as close as possible to elo (afaik), and whichever rating system is implemented doesn't matter because the community will complain about it either way.

I didn't cry for elo at all like the community did, Iv'e always supported MMR. Also just +1 if you would prefer MMR.

While I may support MMR as a system, I similarly support elo and don't think that Badlion should switch systems again. It's not a matter of which is better, because there is very little relevance there. Perhaps on a margin MMR is, but I think that it would tear apart the community more than is necessary.
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Posted on 03 March 2018 - 01:49 PM

ill say it again

Badlion: *throws out elo brings in mmr* community - wtf its shit

Badlion: *throws out mmr brings in elo* community - wtf its shit

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Posted on 03 March 2018 - 02:07 PM

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ill say it again

Badlion: *throws out elo brings in mmr* community - wtf its shit

Badlion: *throws out mmr brings in elo* community - wtf its shit

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Posted on 03 March 2018 - 08:07 PM

@Metarus you act like the whole community is only one whole person and has only one whole opinion. some people liked MMR better, some people liked elo better.

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Posted on 03 March 2018 - 08:53 PM

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@Metarus you act like the whole community is only one whole person and has only one whole opinion. some people liked MMR better, some people liked elo better.

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Posted on 03 March 2018 - 08:56 PM

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@Metarus you act like the whole community is only one whole person and has only one whole opinion. some people liked MMR better, some people liked elo better.

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Posted on 03 March 2018 - 08:57 PM

+1

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Posted on 03 March 2018 - 10:43 PM

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@Metarus you act like the whole community is only one whole person and has only one whole opinion. some people liked MMR better, some people liked elo better.

The general consensus is what I'm referring to. If 80% of people in the community supported one thing, and then later 80% supported the other, you could say the community is indecisive.
I refer to the community as one opinion because it's the consensus and that's the only way to deal with it from a CMs perspective. I understand that different people have different opinions but in general we're looking at the consensus which is what I was referring to.

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Posted on 03 March 2018 - 11:08 PM

Skillapp wrote

ill say it again

Badlion: *throws out elo brings in mmr* community - wtf its shit

Badlion: *throws out mmr brings in elo* community - wtf its shit

just do +1 or -1 broski

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Posted on 04 March 2018 - 05:10 AM

Skillapp wrote

ill say it again

Badlion: *throws out elo brings in mmr* community - wtf its shit

Badlion: *throws out mmr brings in elo* community - wtf its shit

u have 69 iq lmao leave forums pls

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Posted on 04 March 2018 - 05:12 AM

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God, fuck this community lmao. I've said it before and I'll say it again; this entire community is AIDs. I was a Community Manager during the whole backlash about "ELO IS BETTER THAN MMR" "FUCK BADLION" "BRING BACK ELO" and whatever the fuck, and when BL brought back Elo, I'm not gonna lie, I was unhappy. I never supported elo over MMR, always thought MMR is a better system and I still hold to that. But I thought it was a good move because at least in my eyes at the time from a PR perspective, it was great. They listened to the community and said "okay, we hear you, we'll bring it back FOR YOU GUYS." And now we're sitting here like "hey, remember all that shit we talked about Badlion for getting rid of Elo and implementing MMR because we thought MMR was trash? yeah we're sorry we actually like MMR Elo is shit lmao." Could you make up your minds? I don't remember exactly where but I recall seeing Archy state that the top 5 or 10 would be the exact same if we'd use Elo or MMR (not sure what season) by them actually running all the matches through both rating systems. Is that not telling that it really doesn't fucking matter? MMR is implemented in an entirely different manner when implemented as pure MMR, but Badlion didn't use pure MMR because that was shut down almost instantly (S13). Everyone hated it. The S14 MMR that everyone seemed to love was in many ways closer to Elo than it was MMR; win streaks no longer were a thing, the start had a larger fluctuation in rank yes but not significantly, and the match making could not have been at the standard it needed to be. Honestly, I don't think MMR was the best fit for Badlion, and think in many ways Elo is better. There is something to keep in mind when talking about Minecraft versus other large esports like Overwatch or Rocket League or CS:GO. Those games have a larger player base. As a result, you aren't always going to be matched against someone of your rank. MMR is super accurate against other people around your rank, but when it's people of entirely different ranks, it sucks. Climbing through Masters was often just farming on silvers and bronzes and constantly getting 14 points for it, which is straight up bad match making but at the same time what could Badlion have done? They don't have a population large enough that there's always a Masters player to fight the next guy with. So what you guys are asking for back is really just MMR with many changes to make it as close to elo as possible while being less effective because of the lower player count. Honestly, I think that it doesn't matter which rating system is implemented and if I had to pick one, well, I think in many ways it'd be Elo.
tl;dr: S14 MMR wasn't pure MMR, it was MMR made as close as possible to elo (afaik), and whichever rating system is implemented doesn't matter because the community will complain about it either way.

"aids community" do u have some big mental problems or what just say +1 or -1 dont complain lmao

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Posted on 04 March 2018 - 05:13 AM

please bring back MMR it was much more fun elo is so stupid ffs

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Posted on 04 March 2018 - 06:27 AM

Skillapp wrote

ill say it again

Badlion: *throws out elo brings in mmr* community - wtf its shit

Badlion: *throws out mmr brings in elo* community - wtf its shit

You cant just treat the community as 1 individual, people who complained about mmr arent the ones that want it back.

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Posted on 04 March 2018 - 07:35 AM

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God, fuck this community lmao. I've said it before and I'll say it again; this entire community is AIDs. I was a Community Manager during the whole backlash about "ELO IS BETTER THAN MMR" "FUCK BADLION" "BRING BACK ELO" and whatever the fuck, and when BL brought back Elo, I'm not gonna lie, I was unhappy. I never supported elo over MMR, always thought MMR is a better system and I still hold to that. But I thought it was a good move because at least in my eyes at the time from a PR perspective, it was great. They listened to the community and said "okay, we hear you, we'll bring it back FOR YOU GUYS." And now we're sitting here like "hey, remember all that shit we talked about Badlion for getting rid of Elo and implementing MMR because we thought MMR was trash? yeah we're sorry we actually like MMR Elo is shit lmao." Could you make up your minds? I don't remember exactly where but I recall seeing Archy state that the top 5 or 10 would be the exact same if we'd use Elo or MMR (not sure what season) by them actually running all the matches through both rating systems. Is that not telling that it really doesn't fucking matter? MMR is implemented in an entirely different manner when implemented as pure MMR, but Badlion didn't use pure MMR because that was shut down almost instantly (S13). Everyone hated it. The S14 MMR that everyone seemed to love was in many ways closer to Elo than it was MMR; win streaks no longer were a thing, the start had a larger fluctuation in rank yes but not significantly, and the match making could not have been at the standard it needed to be. Honestly, I don't think MMR was the best fit for Badlion, and think in many ways Elo is better. There is something to keep in mind when talking about Minecraft versus other large esports like Overwatch or Rocket League or CS:GO. Those games have a larger player base. As a result, you aren't always going to be matched against someone of your rank. MMR is super accurate against other people around your rank, but when it's people of entirely different ranks, it sucks. Climbing through Masters was often just farming on silvers and bronzes and constantly getting 14 points for it, which is straight up bad match making but at the same time what could Badlion have done? They don't have a population large enough that there's always a Masters player to fight the next guy with. So what you guys are asking for back is really just MMR with many changes to make it as close to elo as possible while being less effective because of the lower player count. Honestly, I think that it doesn't matter which rating system is implemented and if I had to pick one, well, I think in many ways it'd be Elo.
tl;dr: S14 MMR wasn't pure MMR, it was MMR made as close as possible to elo (afaik), and whichever rating system is implemented doesn't matter because the community will complain about it either way.

"aids community" do u have some big mental problems or what just say +1 or -1 dont complain lmao

-1, what I'm saying is that the community is indecisive as fuck and will simply lead to going back and forth because the people who speak up are those who want change, that's why the majority of people who are arguing are the ones who want it to change. It's a stupid argument and in any case I support elo.

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Posted on 04 March 2018 - 09:33 AM

-1 I fought long and hard to get elo back

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Posted on 04 March 2018 - 12:17 PM

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You cant just treat the community as 1 individual, people who complained about mmr arent the ones that want it back.

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-1 I fought long and hard to get elo back

well why do you prefer elo?

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