Posted on 22 January 2015 - 04:07 AM

I am not a regular player, nor do i really feel comfortable with becoming one. I would would like to address some things that i have noticed while playing on this server. Let me start this by saying that i have experience when it comes to moderating servers, and i am only bringing these up because i feel attention needs to be drawn to these areas.
The first thing i would like to bring up is your moderators. from the few times i have played on this server the mods have left me feeling less and less confident with who are stopping "cheaters" from ruining mine, and many other people's games. First of all i feel that leaving your mutes and ban publicly view-able is not a very professional way of presenting things. It will cause problems with banned players and it adds more spam to the already spammy chat. Secondly, i feel that your mods should be required to warn players before they are muted, i will explain why in a later part. Lastly, the way they talk to players is not inviting. They talk as if they are a higher social status than the normal player, and that they are better than the normal player. This makes a gap between staff and player, utterly separating them from the other. If you try to have a simple conversation they will direct you to the forums (a middle man) or they will stop the conversation with a simple "no." This is no way that a mod, or any person of power should speak to normal players, no matter what the problem is.
The next point i would like to bring up is that i dont find it effective to have your rules posted on your forums, but not on the server. You dont even have a link to how you can get to the rules so that you can read them. But for some reason you have a little message that pops up showing you where to donate. You care about the money more than you do about having important things, like the rules, easily accessible. Along with that, by sending the players to the forums to read your rules you are adding an unnecessary middle man, further making your process less effective. Another thing i would like to note is how you are allowed to use the "f" word, but you cannot say "rekt". These are just a few points that i would like to bring up, so that maybe you can explain your reasoning behind it, or so that you can address these problems. Thank you for reading this ~Chicky

Posted on 22 January 2015 - 04:11 AM

@Hivlik for detailed response

Posted on 22 January 2015 - 04:21 AM

The filter is because certain words (rekt eZ and some others) were being spammed horribly. If you bypass the filter you get muted. The money is not something we care about that much, we don't make anything off the server, just enough to keep it running. For something like appeals, directing to forums is the best way to do it. Warning people before muting them just wouldn't do much: most of them know the rules already, and as you said, the chat is too spammy for some people to even see a verbal warning. Publicly displaying bans lets players know when cheaters have been banned, possibly cheaters they reported. Most people like it. I agree that staff shouldn't act better than others, if people are doing that, it's a problem.

Posted on 22 January 2015 - 04:22 AM

I kind of want to tag Archy or Gberry just for the rant.

@ch0dy
You seem to bring a lot of subjectivity without any real concrete evidence. You say they don't ban, yet then proceed to say that the ban messages are too spammy. All those mutes you see in chats should be warning. Also if someone tries to type certain words they get a message to be more sportsmanlike. Badlion's chat focuses off the premise that you (a) shouldn't hackusate, (b) are respectful and show good sportsmanship.

Things like the f word, or slutty aren't derogatory or rude. Calling someone out by saying ez, or rckd is used to belittle someone and not have any positive outcome in the chat. Also that higher status thing is bullshit. When I was moderating I'd reply to any message someone sent. Yet understand at times that I am either busy moderating or playing. I feel like this post has 0 productive value, is both inexperienced and rude.

Posted on 22 January 2015 - 04:44 AM

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Posted on 22 January 2015 - 04:45 AM

I'll respond to all of you concerns, but I'll be all over the place; not all of my answers will fit your standards, but I will do my best.



Here on Badlion, we strive to keep the server as clean as possible. We all share a burning hatred of hackers, and we know what the general community thinks of them as well. They aren't a pleasant race of player, and we like to keep them very very far away from our server if possible, all just so that players like yourself can find an inviting and safe environment to practice, and have fun.



I don't know why specifically this is done, but I know for sure that when I played here before we were able to see people being banned/muted, it was hard to tell if the hacker/cheater was actually being banned/muted. As you may know and feel yourself, it's a good feeling deep down inside that your /report got a player banned, and that you won't have to worry about meeting up with that cheater again in the ranked que. We publicly advertise the bans/mutes to avoid having players constantly /msg'ing the moderators/trials.

As you stated later on, that it may cause problems with banned players in the future - Publicly stating that a player was banned has NEVER turned back against us, or other players. No one else has a problem with it, and overall, I think it's a a great addition to a server; the players can visually see something being done about the cheaters.



I know what you mean here, but the rules are stated on the website (as you stated later on in your rant). The rules are publicly available and easily accessible to ALL players. It's a very simple method to see the rules, and could be found by just about anyone, even just simple passers-by that happened to come across the website would be able to navigate their way over to our rules page.

Having the rules page online doesn't hinder it's ability to be effective with the players, but actually creates a stronger sense of the rules. Here on the website, they are obvious and official. On a wooden sign in-game on a large billboard, they could be taken as a joke and laughed at. Anyone that enters any server, or is playing underneath anyone else, around other players, should know that there are some type of rules set in place, and should be taken seriously. If a player is ignorant enough to completely ignore rules that the developers of this server took time to very thoughtfully write up and post on it's own area of the website, then they may deserve to be muted/banned without warning. No warnings should be issued for rules that also may be obvious, such as not using a hacked client.



Despite you having a lot of chat spam, moderators have even more chat spam. A LOT more. We have to constantly watch over /reports coming in, people verbally abusing others in chat, and generally cheating/hacking/being disruptive. We also get /messaged quite a lot, and many GCheat/Automatic notifications. There is a lot to deal with when moderating, and we don't want to spend our time talking about something that is much easier to talk about without all this spam. This is why I directed you to our forums, I wasn't trying to be rude. That is the natural feel that radiates from any moderator when they are trying to do their job. We are much more concerned about cheaters/hackers when we are logged on in-game.





This is the internet we are talking about, not a classroom or anywhere else formal where someone would refrain from using swear words. The "F" word is a very commonly used word on the internet, just go over to Youtube, a Twitch stream, or almost any Reddit thread. You will find TONS of swear words, just like the "F" word, or any other word that society common tags as inappropriate.

The main reason we mute for "rekt" is because it starts fights a lot easier than "F this game" or even "F you". "rekt" implies so many more things than the casual "F you", unless created in a manner such as "F you dude, you're shit at this game and you deserve to die" Or something equally disturbing as that. Saying "rekt" starts, and has been notorious among Minecraft players to have started SOOO many chat fights, that we don't even care to have it around. As I said previously in game to you, we don't want to kill the chat fight once it starts, but before it beings. This avoids additional "F you's" and chat spam being thrown around.


I hope I answered all of your concerns, and that maybe some day you will feel more comfortable playing with us here on Badlion, but sincerely - Badlion is as good as it gets. We have a very hard working staff that is barely comparable to any other server's staff team in existence. We have banned thousands of players, and continue to mute/ban each day so that the true, legitimate, fun-loving players can continue to have an amazing environment to play in.

Posted on 22 January 2015 - 08:22 PM

I wrote a reply yesterday but the server went down, I know there's probably enough walls of text here but i have it copied so.









This doesen't really happen THAT often that it adds spam to the chat, and you say it causes problems with banned players, how exactly may I ask? and here's a scenario, someone per say is being rude in the chat, someone asks me to mute him, if the messages weren't public then i would have to tell them that he's muted, or if they weren't publicly viewed that a lot of times people would tell us to mute them when they are already muted, or to ban them when they are already banned.






The mutes themselves are a warning, first mutes are typically only 5 minutes to 1 hour unless they are serious, if someone broke a chat rule then it's their fault, it would just add extra hassle to warn them every time they break a rule, which happens a lot.





This could be said on some individuals, maybe. but you can't really say that all the mods in general are like that.





Excuse me but say you asked a question such as "why do i not have donator i payed" then all we can really do is redirect you to the forums, where you can make a post regarding it. Or if you say "oh i found a bug can you fix it" there's really not much us mods can do, other then direct you to the forums so that you can report it. If you were talking about different kind of "conversations" then please give examples.





I can agree with that, it seems easy to not know the rules as a player, it should be implemented somehow. I don't think the admins care about money that much at all, there's only one message poping up every like 10 minutes or so.





rekt isn't allowed because it's a way of showing disrespect towards other player, making them fill bad and such, and if someone were to direct a "fuck you" towards someone else then he would be muted for even longer then saying rekt, but yes just saying "fuck" because your mad is ok, as long as you don't direct it at someone else, makes sense to me at least.

Posted on 22 January 2015 - 09:45 PM

You must be utterly retarded if you haven't seen GCheat banning every other player. Ever since GCheat, I've fought approximately 0 hackers and that is because it works. Maybe you're just trash at pvp and you "think" they hack, which makes your moderating "experience" not worth while and definitely not worth considering.

Posted on 22 January 2015 - 10:10 PM

Actually no, GCheat doesn't ban "everyone" i have actually seen many many hackers not banned by GCheat and still roaming the server. Just because you fought 0 doesn't mean the whole server has. You really don't need to be a dick to him saying he is "trash" just because the hackers aren't banned..

Posted on 22 January 2015 - 10:19 PM

Try reading my post again you disabled child. Where the hell in my post did I say it bans everyone? Honestly, I don't think you can tell the difference between ping and hacks.

Posted on 23 January 2015 - 01:00 AM

I can't tell the difference between ping and hacks? How so? I know when i see hacks and good ping and i never even mentioned that you 'disabled child'

Posted on 23 January 2015 - 01:09 AM

@Archybot for roast

Posted on 23 January 2015 - 01:35 AM

HOW FUCKING THICK ARE YOU

Posted on 23 January 2015 - 01:41 AM

Pretty thick in your mom

Posted on 23 January 2015 - 02:46 AM

oh boy these two again…

Posted on 23 January 2015 - 02:49 AM

Do you think you're funny?

Posted on 23 January 2015 - 03:11 AM

forum ban please

Posted on 23 January 2015 - 03:16 AM

Are you 8?

Posted on 23 January 2015 - 03:22 AM

really dude….really……and you want no hate…..i cringed when i saw this comment, fucking hypocrite.

Posted on 23 January 2015 - 03:55 AM

you make me want to vanillapockyfox myself