Posted on 25 January 2015 - 09:39 PM

Main theory: Please be less strict

Badlion is an awesome Minecraft PvP server, I go on there quite frequently and it's pretty cool! However I have been going down on this decision since many things dont go good as it seems. Now I know about all this stuff, I know about all these punishments you have do to, I know that! I Moderate a server, another one coming later! I know all this, but seriously here's the thing. Badlion staff always mutes people 24/7 just because of all these MINOR things not Major, and from what I know as a staff is it is best to talk to a person directly, warn them in chat
Example:

[Admin]KevinK321: MrPotato, Please don't Hackusate in chat.

Now when the hackusating warning comes in chat, you know they're gonna focus on the gameplay and not that, you guys should know that by now cause the amount of muting is real, and I'm not joking. Secondly, is this. Huahwi was streaming the other day right? He went to go on YOUR server and do some MCSG Style 1v1's however you guys with just making chat silent is completely stupid. I mean come on, Huahwi is advertising YOUR Server, this is something you should appreciate! You guys should know Huahwi's Fans will come on, you know Huahwi has just passed 150,000 subs, YOU should really know is that people in chat are gonna say "Omg Huahwi is here" or something like that, but instead you guys mute the whole chat and complain. Now you guys unmute chat, everyone is now happy! But Now when I was on I just said "Huahwi :D" Once, ONCE. I got muted for spam and that's something that should be worked on, muting for something very Minor. What you tried to do is to say "Guys stop spamming Huahwi in chat" Hes on your server, helping you guys and you made the fanship not as fun as it suppose to be! The Big thing is Huahwi does not care. He loves his fans, he loves us all! Hes dealt through depression for 6 months and now he's back better than ever. Instead, you should be appreciated Huahwi likes your server, not to mention some of his fans are new! Last year he only had like 10,000 subscribers! Now when coming on he probably has a lot of new people who don't even know about Badlion! Now from this outcome, I'm pretty sure they feel unwelcome. Just by muting a ton is just making your server worst. One more thing is Border Shrink in UHC, the teleport needs to be different. People are raging because of a death from 50 people spawning on each other, and that is also a factor in the muting, and less success you guys are getting..I know it's to enforce people to go to 0,0. You guys tweeted me that, but spawn 50 people on top of eachother? No, no. That's not cool.

The thing is the rules are too strict, they need a buff. Muting and Punishing non stop is not the way to go, it's best to specifically address and talk to the player about the rules, however again some need to go more calm. During this kind of things with like famous people on, people swear trying to get people to "shut up" so they don't get muted, I notice that's a thing now and you obviously would not like that won't you? Why would you just continue to do the same thing over and over again? Also with the rule "Don't say eZ or get rekt or any kind of that", You guys know it's people being sarcastic right, this is how it even is in the whole world, right now. If there's a problem then talk it out to the person, message them, warn them, if that does not work. Now That's the time to to mute them, not right away.


One more thing is with how the server works, why give normal players 10 ranked matches, only 10. It does not make sense. I remember how the old badlion was with the classic people spamming "DUEL ME" which again leads to the muting problem again (it's a chain reaction, notice that?). It was good adding the unranked matches, but seriously, only that many things we can play. Why not add like Iron OCN and UHC? That could work, not everyone Is gonna like potion pvp (also the name potion pvp for the popular part of the server does not mix right if it's everything from ffa, to 1v1s, to 2v2s, 3v3s, all that. That should change} Donators get infinite matches and that's a little unfair, voting gives 20 matches but 30 matches? That's not a lot, 50 or 100 at least for a day, cause you gotta admit, this will make your server a lot more popular (and a little addicting) if you want more success into it. Also, if your gonna have UHC and SG, you gotta have Iron OCN or UHC added into the unranked matching, or add more ranked matches, or even better…no ranked matches at all! That would double or triple the popularity!

Now for the last time, things need to get a little chill. I would play on the server 24/7 if all these features we're nice and dandy. This does not show me the things I want. Give a little, I'm not trying to hate the server or make the server worst, this Is 100% my opinion. My friend's also seem to agree. Now that I have this on the forums we'll see how the outcome will turn out. For now, the server needs some work in general.

-KevinK321

Posted on 25 January 2015 - 09:51 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
no
im too tired to rip aprart everything else wrong w/ this post lol
its strict for a reason, staff want to achieve a 100% positive gaming enviroment, negative comments and Huawhi's fan girls spamming the server with pointless shit doesn't make it one
if they want to show their appreciation for huawhi , they can do it on his youtube/Twitch

Posted on 25 January 2015 - 10:32 PM

We have a lot of reasoning behind the rules. We need to mute players in order to keep a calm and clean chat environment. If we were less strict, the chat would be even more cluttered and immature than it is now.

Hackusations: We don't warn the players in chat because it will take more effort than needed. On average, there is at least a hackusation a minute. If we took the time to warn each player, every time they hackusated before we muted them, that would be ineffective. It isn't hard to wait out a short mute. The goal for the mute system is for players to understand what they did is not allowed here and that we are serious about muting so that they will stop doing it.

Famous Player Spamming: We global mute the chat when a famous player's name is being spammed for a few reasons. First, it creates a chaotic and immature environment to the famous player and to any new player who may see it as a sign to not come back because of the amount of spam. Just because Huahwi might not care, doesn't mean that others don't. Secondly, there is no point in having the whole chat filled with 'HUAHWI HUAHWI.'

Strictness: I honestly believe that we are a bit lenient on the rules. Any time a player disrespects another player, they need to be muted. We do not allow terms such as 'eZ', 'rekt', or any other similar words because it is unsportsmanlike, disrespectful, and causes more problems in chat such as arguments. It is extremely difficult to determine if someone is being sarcastic over the internet.

Ranked Matches: The server administration needs a source of income to be able to fund running the servers. 10 ranked matches seems adequate, although I agree maybe a little bit more such as 15 or 20 may be beneficial. We don't only have ranked matches on the servers. We have FFAs, unranked ladders, a Duel system, Soup FFA, unranked Soup ladders, UHCs, both ranked and unranked Survival Games, and other things.

Posted on 25 January 2015 - 10:56 PM

Seeing as this thread isn't locked, and I'm a forum whore, I feel the need to respond to this.


For most people, if they hackusate or say "rekt" they get a 15-30 minute mute for a first offence, this is to discourage them from saying those things again



Ok, have you actually seen chat when Huahwi is on, its literally nothing but huahwi constantly, especially if you're in FFA, where chat is spammy already, it's near impossible to see anything in chat (such as "gg" and other useful uses for chat) before its completely swallowed in a ocean of "HUAHWI OMG I LOVE YOU BIGGEST FAN". As for you being muted, most likely others were too, and most likely the mute you received was very short. Normally moderators will globally mute the chat and then mute anyone who was saying Huahwi beforehand. I'm assuming they saw you're name and muted you, regardless of whether you said it multiple times or not. Also, you think we're going to worship Huahwi because he brings throngs of screechy fangirls? No.


It warns you in advance, it gives you plenty of time to get to the surface and then make your way towards 0,0 on your own.

Who cares, if people are being assholes, its better if they're muted assholes, sarcastic or not.


Only thing I semi-agree with you on. 10 is a little harsh, but it does motivate people to donate, and these people need to make money somehow.



Oh boy, first off, you have played around 50 matches on this server, and this is your first forum post. I'm not saying I'm a BL oldtimer (I'm certainly not) but you are in no position at all to be telling Badlion what things they need to be doing better. In the past 6 months they added two new gamemodes, (pretty sure at least) and revamped an existing one. Learn some stuff before you start telling the mods how to run their own server.

Posted on 25 January 2015 - 10:57 PM

Posted on 25 January 2015 - 11:11 PM

THIS

Posted on 25 January 2015 - 11:21 PM

You bring up "the old Badlion" when you have zero idea what you are talking about. Ranked matches have been like this for as long as I can remember, and I have been maining Badlion since July of 2013.

Also, your grammar and capitalization are cancer.

Posted on 25 January 2015 - 11:28 PM

I acknowledge this problem and I personally would just leave the chat and not global mute it or anything. If it were up to me, I wouldn't even mute for people saying Huawhi. Like why should they not be allowed to say his name? If someone is annoyed by the spam, they can mute global through the settings (clock in hotbar).

As for the UHC border shrinking, 1.8 has a really nice border shrinking feature built into Minecraft, but we're a 1.7/1.8 server right now. I personally like how some people can get teleported all together at one spot because you kind of have to plan your gameplay around that. Also, I don't know of any other good solution.



I disagree, server is way too big to spend even 30 seconds talking to and warning each person.

In regards to the unranked matches thing, I disagree, but I cba to explain it. Leave it to archy :P

Posted on 25 January 2015 - 11:39 PM

#blamesmelly

Posted on 25 January 2015 - 11:50 PM

I don't see why his grammar and capitalization has anything to do with this..
Who gives a shit how his grammar and capitalization is.

Posted on 26 January 2015 - 12:02 AM

Toxic

Posted on 26 January 2015 - 12:21 AM

Hackusating will never be allowed in chat because:
1. If the person is hacking, they might see the message and turn it off. Several times I've been watching someone cheat, their opp hackusates in chat, and then they stop cheating, making their public report invalid for mods who weren't watching.
2. A lot of people think anyone who beats them is cheating.
3. There is /report.


Huahwi has access to both owners on skype, along with several other staff members. Do not come in here and lecture us on what you think famous people care about. If us muting global chat bothers him, he's free to talk to us on skype, and he knows this. Until then, we will treat it 100% as spam wave because
1. It's a spam wave
2. While you and his fans enjoy spamming his name, it pisses the regulars - you know the people who play badlion hours a day, off SO bad to the point where a lot of them actually request it.
3. Having 300+ people spam chat causes chat to lag and disrupts actual chat/PM's, and also affects staff's ability to moderate as we can't see reports, mod chat, or GCheat notifications.




I can kill anyone not in the correct border when it shrinks like other UHC's do if that's what you wish? You should be moving to 0,0 as soon as the border shrinks, end of discussion. We might visit border shrinking scatter in the future, but it's no where near the top of our priorities now.



Badlion chat is moderated unlike other servers who let their population be toxic. We have rules because certain attitudes became problems that we had to fix by using rules. We don't care about sarcasm or joking, as you can't tell the difference over text chat.

Here's an album of another server (who doesn't moderate chat) really taken in about 2 minutes, and then multiply that by about 3x times since we usually have 750 people on potpvp during peak - https://imgur.com/a/GJ5cF

Nope I'll take my moderated chat, ty.



https://www.badlion.net/forum/thread/11531

tl;dr - Donations dropped to the point server bills wasn't being paid when we had unlimited unranked for all gamemodes, and overall player count decreased even with more things to do. Servers aren't free, ddos protection isn't free, and laywers/legal expenses aren't free either.

Posted on 26 January 2015 - 12:37 AM

Looks like most everything was answered here already lol, but for the record, @Kevinnnn you seem to think getting muted is a big deal. To be honest, a mute for anything under a day is honestly a slap on the wrist. People get muted 15+ times before getting any substantial punishments. And the shit people say for those kinds of punishments makes them well-deserved.

Posted on 26 January 2015 - 12:51 AM

Oops @Kevinnnn

Posted on 26 January 2015 - 12:55 AM

Yes - low level mutes are mostly warnings like Hivlik said.

Posted on 26 January 2015 - 01:08 AM

Too long to read, someone give me LE GIST PLEASE

Posted on 26 January 2015 - 01:57 AM

UHC border is apparently shit because it spawns everybody on top of each other, non-donors need more ranked matches because 10 is too little a number, mods should "talk it out" with a person before muting them, hackusation mutes should be 1 warning then mute, and people shouldn't be muted for spamming "Huahwi."

Posted on 26 January 2015 - 03:17 AM

Ok. I've been here for two years now, and I've grown my channel to 8k subs.
I love badlion, and the staff, and the owners treat me like family.



The only thing that is wrong with badlion IN MY OPINION is the hit registration/kb. I can't strafe anymore on badlion because none gets knockbacked and it's always lagging for me. Honestly, the old kb BEFORE I BUGGED THE SHIT OUT OF THE OWNERS FOR (My fault) was a tad but better and more enjoyable. If badlion can figure out a way to stabilize the player base with a good hit detection that I can strafe in and not have to crit in, Id play minecraft 100% again.

Posted on 26 January 2015 - 03:23 AM

I have no problem strafing people… that's something you have to work on. I do agree with you on the hit registration/lag though. I think they're trying to fix the lag though.

Posted on 26 January 2015 - 03:24 AM

I've known this server for almost a year now, there was never a reason for me to post something. Now there is, I'm just trying to give them advice before they go too overboard.