Posted on 17 March 2015 - 01:10 AM
Why do Badlion hosts put rules on such as 'Portal Trapping Disabled' and 'Portal Camping Disabled' and then refuse to even attempt to enforce them?There is absolutely no point in putting a rule in place if you physically can't do anything to stop it being broken.
I know I will get some elitist mods commenting on here but you really need to do something about this; at the very least permanently enable portal camping so we don't have a reason to complain.
Posted on 17 March 2015 - 01:30 AM
I already explained all this to DFowler, but I'm more then willing to draw out an explanation to you.Firstly- your team made the portal at around 21-22 minutes in. You can't make portals before 20 minutes because IPvP, so the influx of players rushing the nether starts at 20, so statistically speaking with 350 players, there is bound to be some teams that are going in the nether at that time.
Secondly- "There is absolutely no point in putting a rule in place if you physically can't do anything to stop it being broken."
You could rationalize that- oh hey I have a group of uhc mods and hosts spectating this game, why don't I message one of them to check the portal? They are more then willing to check the portal and tell you if its safe or not, and that is also how we prevent portal camping.
Also learn the definition of elitist before you use it.
Posted on 17 March 2015 - 01:36 AM
sluttycow wrote
Also learn the definition of elitist before you use it.
Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite—a select group of people with a certain ancestry, intrinsic quality or worth, high intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes—are those whose influence or authority is greater than that of others
I guess I meant that you think you are an elitist group, my mistake!
I realise that there are people going into the nether, but they were literally standing next to the portal and swinging. Yes..that is portal camping.
You need to be able to remotely reinforce the rule, otherwise there is no point of having it. Its like a guy getting off a murder with his DNA everywhere, just because no-one saw it happen.
Posted on 17 March 2015 - 01:36 AM
lmao you were bitching in spec chat about itPosted on 17 March 2015 - 01:38 AM
sluttycow wrote
Firstly- your team made the portal at around 21-22 minutes in. You can't make portals before 20 minutes because IPvP, so the influx of players rushing the nether starts at 20, so statistically speaking with 350 players, there is bound to be some teams that are going in the nether at that time.
Secondly- "There is absolutely no point in putting a rule in place if you physically can't do anything to stop it being broken."
You could rationalize that- oh hey I have a group of uhc mods and hosts spectating this game, why don't I message one of them to check the portal? They are more then willing to check the portal and tell you if its safe or not, and that is also how we prevent portal camping.
Also learn the definition of elitist before you use it.
Also, I think its embarrassing that I was muted for 'Staff Disrespect' simply for voicing my concerns over this rule. Literally all I said was "Why have a rule if you can't enforce it?! Makes absolutely no sense." Seems like Predpool just wanted to shut me up because he knew we were right.
Posted on 17 March 2015 - 01:41 AM
Plasda wrote
LOL if my mc output didn't spam i would have logs on you :( You were bitching and talking about how bad the new hosts were. He said that if people kept whining he'd mute them.
Posted on 17 March 2015 - 01:49 AM
Serendipity__ wrote
Plasda wrote...
LOL if my mc output didn't spam i would have logs on you :( You were bitching and talking about how bad the new hosts were. He said that if people kept whining he'd mute them.
At no point did I complain about the new hosts..My teammates may have gotten a little out of hand but I didn't, I simply put the point across which has been used on this post.
Posted on 17 March 2015 - 03:15 AM
As much as I don't think portal camping should be disallowed, you should have asked the host or a mod to check the portal before you went in it.Posted on 17 March 2015 - 03:34 AM
Plasda wrote
I realise that there are people going into the nether, but they were literally standing next to the portal and swinging. Yes..that is portal camping.
You need to be able to remotely reinforce the rule, otherwise there is no point of having it. Its like a guy getting off a murder with his DNA everywhere, just because no-one saw it happen.
Strange how the story that DFowlerFan15 told me doesn't match yours exactly.
Also, you always have the option to message the hosts to check portals, and they are always willing to do so. I agree that this option should've been more clear, but you shouldn't be bashing my staff team because of it.
The mute was also valid since you were in no position to complain to a host who didn't technically do anything wrong. Compare DFowlerFan15's approach to yours and actualpro (or whoever your teammate was I don't remember the exact logistics of it). DFowlerFan15 didn't publcially complain and wasn't rude about anything. When I got on he messaged me and invited me into teamspeak to talk. Rather then him making a bitch post that accomplishes nothing he made this https://www.badlion.net/forum/thread/32793
Posted on 18 March 2015 - 12:06 AM
Uh… @sluttycow … Why dont you just state in the rules "Entering the portal is your own risk, we are not responsible for your possible death" and if players complain just mute them? Of course mods can still check portal if asked but I dont see what the big deal is, its just a game xDPosted on 18 March 2015 - 02:40 PM
@sluttycow i would message a host, But SOMEONE muted me. xdPosted on 18 March 2015 - 03:49 PM
@Zebra_OfficialBecause that would an incentive people to camp the portal, which I think is a very cheap strategy. I do respect Plasda's post on the basis that portal camping is quite unfair, and if I was a player I'd be quite pissed for wasting an hour of my time just to culminate in me dying.
@xChashez
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Posted on 18 March 2015 - 04:24 PM
True… I also get quite angry when I spend an hour or more of my time and then get camped. This might be a horrible idea, but it just came to me. You know how in factions there are safezones around spawns like /warp east or whatever so you cannot break blocks for a 30 block radius or whatever? And in some servers they have it so its a safezone and you jump down a hole into some sort of safety net (I am not sure what yet) that eliminates fall damage but when you go down pvp is enabled? That way camping is useless because the person can choose whether or not to go down if there is someone there or if there isnt. It would be easier to explain to you in a call or something but yeah anyways this might work? (The 'net' could be like a plug-in the eliminates fall damage for 30 time period after you come through the nether? @sluttycow just an idea :)Posted on 18 March 2015 - 04:29 PM
I think that the nether should always present risks, and that the nether at the moment offers high reward with very little risk (it really isn't hard to kill 3 blazes and get netherwart to get strength potions). Now, let me give you a hypothetical. You go through the nether and see some quarts. You go to mine the quarts, and are now no-longer in the safezone. Then a team of 3 diamond players all go through and you just hop into the safezone. Your idea elimates the chance of you leaving the nether on your own, thus making the game even more dependent on the host.I'm on a temporary LOA due to spring break, but when I get back on the 22nd I'm more then happy to talk about potential alternatives on teamspeak or something
@Zebra_Official
Posted on 18 March 2015 - 04:35 PM
None of it would be safezone (im an idiot xD) just if there was a 30 second no fall when you go through the portal you can choose whether or not to jump down. However thinking about this, it would eliminate the whole idea of going back through to the overworld which kind of ruins the game. Therefore fuck my idea and ill come up with a new one LOLDunno what LOA is but I assume its pree cool ;) but yeah whenever you want id be down to discuss options as I feel it is a rather in need topic
Posted on 18 March 2015 - 04:35 PM
@sluttycowPosted on 21 March 2015 - 02:46 AM
RaTioNaLiTyy wrote
sluttycow wrote...
Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite—a select group of people with a certain ancestry, intrinsic quality or worth, high intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes—are those whose influence or authority is greater than that of others
I guess I meant that you think you are an elitist group, my mistake!
I realise that there are people going into the nether, but they were literally standing next to the portal and swinging. Yes..that is portal camping.
You need to be able to remotely reinforce the rule, otherwise there is no point of having it. Its like a guy getting off a murder with his DNA everywhere, just because no-one saw it happen.
You literally copied the that definition from a google search… if you want to say you know what something is at least put it in your own words.