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Take kb out of vanilla
Honestly kb should be taken out of vanilla. Barely any serious vanilla players want kb in the kits, there is a ENORMOUS majority that wants kb taken out. Honestly the only people I can see wanting kb still in vanilla are the people that use it to troll and fuck around with people. Plus kb encourages camping. None of the other pot ladders have kb, and 99% of the serious vanilla players want it taken out.
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+1 gapples aren't in it because they're broken, so why should kb/punch be in it? They're just as bad.
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Vanilla is my current highest ladder. I use KB. -1
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Some players use KB strategically, just because you don't like it doesn't constitute that the staff team should take it out. It's honestly not "broken", just not liked. Archy mained KB1 in his "god" days or whatever, (saw a forum post), so I think he can relate that it's apart of vanilla, it's probably staying.
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Makveli wrote

Some players use KB strategically, just because you don't like it doesn't constitute that the staff team should take it out. It's honestly not "broken", just not liked. Archy mained KB1 in his "god" days or whatever, (saw a forum post), so I think he can relate that it's apart of vanilla, it's probably staying.

If we wanted it totally vanilla then I would have a lot of god apples and much more armor in my kit

The point is that a lot of stuff in this game is pretty broken for pvp, and that shouldn't stop is from having a balanced, skill-based competitive outlet.
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KB isn't really "broken".

Gapples sure, you are basically GODDED.

Extra sets, yeah, you don't die until you mess up on gapples or pots.

but KB? It's like regular pvp, it doesn't add a HUGE advantage.
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You can't have KB in the other pot ladders, Vanilla is the one ladder where KB players actually get to use their tactic. Keep it
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There should just be a kit w/ no kb & debuffs so all the players that complain about those two things could get there way.
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Makveli wrote

There should just be a kit w/ no kb & debuffs so all the players that complain about those two things could get there way.

From prior experiences on badlion I can say that this won't work
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Makveli wrote

There should just be a kit w/ no kb & debuffs so all the players that complain about those two things could get there way.


Like the one we already have? -.-
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Its called "Vanilla" not "Take the stuff out I dont like."

No.
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