Posted on 20 September 2015 - 12:10 PM
DjSprayK wrote
@MasterGberry
Are you seriously going to try and argue with the person that has reworked knockback on the server at least 5-10 times about it being random?
Posted on 20 September 2015 - 12:19 PM
I know 100% Minecraft knockback is random, as for Badlion knockback, I can't be 100% but from past experience in fight on arena pvp, I can fight someone and take next to no KB in the fight, but then in another I'd get knocked back 3+ blocks. I didn't make this post to start an argument and still don't want one, you shouldn't be taking offense / getting defensive about what I've said. If you're not going to change Skywars, then I took the time to write this post for nothing and it should just be left.Once again, thanks for the read.
@MasterGberry
Posted on 20 September 2015 - 12:22 PM
DjSprayK wrote
Once again, thanks for the read.
@MasterGberry
You clearly are not reading my posts here. I did not say we are not changing anything about the ladder. I am looking for valid suggestions, most of which yours are not valid.
Knockback is not random, connections and latency's vary. Once again knockback at it's core is not random. Sharpness, unbreaking, and power are random. Knockback is not.
Posted on 20 September 2015 - 12:38 PM
DjSprayK wrote
Please note the game version. This is a bug with the ordering of players on the server. Also known as relog. The relog bug was actually first discovered on Badlion. It was patched over a year ago. Knockback isn't random, other factors affect it, but the core knockback logic (I can literally show you the code if you want) is not random.
We've been dealing with knockback modifications since 2013 lol.
Posted on 20 September 2015 - 12:46 PM
Literally no point in even trying at this point, reapism is making a video on it explaining everything I'll link it when it's up, gonna get off for now, cya.EDIT: Minecraft KB is 100% random, go hop on your server, get someone to test with and hit them testing the Minecraft knockback, its not the same everytime, making it random
@MasterGberry
Posted on 20 September 2015 - 02:45 PM
MasterGberry wrote
We will not be removing the ladder, it is here to stay. I do think it need's some tweaking though. The night before release I had actually suggested reworking the maps to be in a 6 o clock and a 4:30 o clock position so your objective is to make it to the middle island and not get knocked off.
This is exactly what I was thinking as well. I also think we should all start with the same kit, but make us open a chest and get it out first at the beginning of every game to make it seem more authentic
I also agree with less projectiles and maybe slightly closer islands
Posted on 20 September 2015 - 05:55 PM
DjSprayK wrote
EDIT: Minecraft KB is 100% random, go hop on your server, get someone to test with and hit them testing the Minecraft knockback, its not the same everytime, making it random
EDIT: Talking with other Minecraft map makers: http://prntscr.com/8iknle
@MasterGberry
You don't understand what Gberry is telling you lol. Knockback itself without any other variables is not random. If anyone you asked could read Java code, then they would clearly see that it's not random. There are tons of things that affect knockback before knockback itself is applied. There's even an attribute called generic.knockbackResistance that you can set for entities that dampens the knockback effect. Knockback itself is random.
Posted on 21 September 2015 - 06:45 PM
SmellyPenguin wrote
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Knockback itself is random.
uhm
Posted on 21 September 2015 - 10:30 PM
MasterGberry wrote
We will not be removing the ladder, it is here to stay. I do think it need's some tweaking though. The night before release I had actually suggested reworking the maps to be in a 6 o clock and a 4:30 o clock position so your objective is to make it to the middle island and not get knocked off.
We want to do something with the middle island as well, haven't decided on everything yet.
Once again stressing that a full SkyWars game mode will be out soon, and we do not want to try and compete with it on the Arena server. If you want to play SkyWars you go there, if you want to practice the mechanics of it you go onto the Arena server.
Posted on 22 September 2015 - 06:05 AM
it's like talking to a brick wallPosted on 22 September 2015 - 07:19 AM
DjSprayK wrote
EDIT: Minecraft KB is 100% random, go hop on your server, get someone to test with and hit them testing the Minecraft knockback, its not the same everytime, making it random
EDIT: Talking with other Minecraft map makers: http://prntscr.com/8iknle
@MasterGberry
"Needs tto rethink his life" You're taking Minecraft knockback a little too serious dude
Posted on 22 September 2015 - 10:52 AM
As I have just read this entire thread, I'm slightly disappointed in seeing that not much will be done to change this ladder. Personally, I agree with DjSprayK in that this entire ladder should be removed. It is really based on more luck than skill and I have always thought of skywars as a minigame. To me, this is not competitive PvP at all, just something I play on Hypixel when I'm bored. In addition, I am most annoyed because its going to fuck over global elo for a lot of competitive players, like myself. Looking at the top global players already, the majority of their losses lie in skywars. Just judging by that itself can portray the fact that skywars may be more luck based. In addition, at least personally, many people that I have talked to since the start of season 10 feel like it should only be an event and not a ladder. To sum it up, +1 if it even means anything, this is gonna fuck over people grinding global elo.Posted on 22 September 2015 - 01:11 PM
Apollo_11x wrote
Survival Games is a minigame too. Also a lot of luck based on what is in the chests you grab. Should we remove it?
Posted on 22 September 2015 - 01:23 PM
Jacub wrote
Apollo_11x wrote...
Survival Games is a minigame too. Also a lot of luck based on what is in the chests you grab. Should we remove it?
Posted on 22 September 2015 - 02:06 PM
Arrows are also random, let's REMOVE THEM TOO!Also DJ, show me where in the code it calls .random() in relation to KB. Until you can, please do not say it's random. Take two players. If you hit player 2 in the exact same circumstances, the KB will always be the same every time you do it.
If you say its random again without a code segment that proves it's random, I'm going to ban you from the forums.
Thank you
Posted on 22 September 2015 - 02:25 PM
And as for the people saying this ladder revolves around luck, please explain the top 20 of skywars having better W/L ratio compared to the top 20 of BuildUHC (which a lot of you consider to be the highest skill ladder). If there was no luck, the top player should have 0 losses minus hackers, which is not the case. Minecraft has luck built into it, just like League, CSGO, SC2, etc. It's all about making your skill minimize the effect of luck on you and making adjustments when you get unlucky compared to your opponent.What you meant to say is "I can't play void, I just want to hurr durr sword rush like my favorite UHC tryhard does"
Get over it, the ladder represents the core of skywars. First to mid in actual skywars minigame typically wins if you factor out the randomness of chests and getting cleaned up. Until you guys can give me ideas on how to change it while keeping the factors of how skywars pvp actually works, it's staying as is (no hurr durr it's bad).
Posted on 22 September 2015 - 02:47 PM
Archybot wrote
The horse ladder takes the most skill, the people on the leader boards there are aim gods ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Posted on 22 September 2015 - 04:25 PM
DaGoldBrick wrote
Archybot wrote...
The horse ladder takes the most skill, the people on the leader boards there are aim gods ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
people that are high on horse ladder are very good at horse pvp, it's a very specific skill to know how far a horse will be, and having to deal with the wierd way shooting on a horse works (having to adjust aim)
Posted on 23 September 2015 - 02:24 AM
Make it a even for like 16 players like meetups it will fit alot better tbh