Posted on 01 November 2015 - 01:16 AM
Hey guys.We all know that Badlion is by far the best PvP server out there, not just because of our chill community and entertaining gamemodes, but also because of our infamous GCheat(Through personal experience, detected my autoclicker macro in less than 2 seconds). I have read somewhere that gberry and archy won't be selling GCheat to other server unless there is payment along with usage rights etc. However, I do think that a bit of extra cash could help Badlion in the long run. I think that it would be a good idea for Badlion to sell GCheat to a few servers that we are close to and have had previous ties. The money could be used for reducing lag, hiring builders/devs, etc.
Posted on 01 November 2015 - 01:18 AM
Automatically DeletedPosted on 01 November 2015 - 01:38 AM
If GCheat got into the wrong hands, hacked client developers would be able to easily bypass the checks and create an undetectable hacked client. The servers Badlion have close ties with e.g. Kohi already have Anti-Skid which seems to be working fine.Posted on 01 November 2015 - 02:13 AM
Prixy wrote
Posted on 01 November 2015 - 02:14 AM
HoppyDays wrote
Posted on 01 November 2015 - 04:31 AM
Uhh anti-skid fine? No please noThat shit is complete bullshit it takes a good 30 minutes to ban a fly hacker
Posted on 01 November 2015 - 07:32 AM
No pleasePosted on 01 November 2015 - 08:00 AM
This has been discussed many times as I understand. The problem that was flagged up by Archy in his streams when I asked a similar question is preventing the source code of GCheat being released to the public.The reason that public Anti-Cheats like NoCheatPlus etc. are less effective than GCheat is partly down to the fact that the developers of hacked clients are able to find 'loopholes' in the checks that the plugin makes to establish whether a player is cheating. This is because anyone can decompile the .jar file and have access to the plugin's code. Even if the code is obfuscated, it's relatively easy to de-obfuscate if you know what you're looking for. Therefore, developers change the way that their hacks work in order that they don't trigger any checks server-side.
This leads to the main problem: Unless these big servers can sign an agreement (such as an NDA - non-disclosure agreement) which prevents them from distributing said files, then GCheat would have the same downfall as most of the other big anti-cheats. Furthermore, even if servers do agree to not distribute the GCheat files, it would be hard to manage the whereabouts of the files and who has access to them, and for what period of time and price.
In contrast, it would be very beneficial to Badlion financially as 'leasing out' GCheat would bring in money to further help the development.
Just my two pennies (or cents), feel free to elaborate on this matter @Archybot
Posted on 01 November 2015 - 08:13 AM
gbery said a long time ago we probably will never sell gcheat and if he did it'd be 50k but its probably more since the time and upgradesPosted on 01 November 2015 - 09:12 AM
Pretty much most of the thing in this thread are correct.I've thought of ways of trying to "lease" GCheat to other servers where I would do some kind of an off site thing where people would pay for access per user login or something.
Not sure if I would want to do this or not, and how much I would charge. It would definitely not be cheap, and any serious network (1k+) would be shelling out probably a few thousand a month to use it for their player base. Would probably just setup monthly fees based on their user traffic and they would have to pay up front for the next month and then I would analyze how much the next month would cost.
Not even sure I would have anyone interested in doing this if I were to set it up. Having GCheat unique to Badlion also is a good thing for us to continue to shine in terms of combatting the hacking community. Sharing this tool with other servers gives us less of an edge.
Posted on 01 November 2015 - 09:39 AM
This. ^GCheat is a huge USP for Badlion and sets the network apart from others. I agree that leasing out GCheat would increase publicity for the network - maybe participating networks could include a phrase on their website like "Powered by GCheat" (I know it sounds clichéd).
If you were to allow other servers to use GCheat, you might be able to blanket ban someone from all servers when they are flagged by the plugin. What I mean by that is all of the servers could share a database of bans like the one that's in use by Badlion currently. If someone were to be banned for 3 months on Hypixel (for example, no need to judge), they would be banned on Badlion and all other servers that use GCheat. This is a similar thing to what /r/ultrahardcore has done with UBL.
Moreover, you would need some way of maintaining consistency across all servers if an inter-network ban list is implemented. For example, if there's a hacker on Hypixel, the staff would need to have similar training to those on Badlion so that you don't get complaints like: "I was banned on Hypixel and now I can't play on Badlion because Hypixel's staff are all dumb." Whilst on paper is seems feasible, in practice, it might be 'easier said than done.'
Just my opinions again.
Posted on 01 November 2015 - 11:42 AM
MasterGberry wrote
I've thought of ways of trying to "lease" GCheat to other servers where I would do some kind of an off site thing where people would pay for access per user login or something.
Not sure if I would want to do this or not, and how much I would charge. It would definitely not be cheap, and any serious network (1k+) would be shelling out probably a few thousand a month to use it for their player base. Would probably just setup monthly fees based on their user traffic and they would have to pay up front for the next month and then I would analyze how much the next month would cost.
Not even sure I would have anyone interested in doing this if I were to set it up. Having GCheat unique to Badlion also is a good thing for us to continue to shine in terms of combatting the hacking community. Sharing this tool with other servers gives us less of an edge.
NAYNAY DONT DOOJJNOANO NPMONONOONO GBERRY NOOO I WILL EAT UR BERRY IF U DO DATT BRAH DONT GIVE GCHEAT AWAY MANAMANAMANMAN NOONONONONOO GCHEAT IS TOO EXPENSIVE IF U WANNA SELL IT SELL IT FOR 10000000000000000000000000000000000000BILLION DOLLARS
Posted on 01 November 2015 - 12:33 PM
MasterGberry wrote
I've thought of ways of trying to "lease" GCheat to other servers where I would do some kind of an off site thing where people would pay for access per user login or something.
Not sure if I would want to do this or not, and how much I would charge. It would definitely not be cheap, and any serious network (1k+) would be shelling out probably a few thousand a month to use it for their player base. Would probably just setup monthly fees based on their user traffic and they would have to pay up front for the next month and then I would analyze how much the next month would cost.
Not even sure I would have anyone interested in doing this if I were to set it up. Having GCheat unique to Badlion also is a good thing for us to continue to shine in terms of combatting the hacking community. Sharing this tool with other servers gives us less of an edge.
Oh ok. Thanks for replying. But there could also be an alternative for this. For example, if a player gets banned on Badlion, he/she also gets banned on Archon. We could do this for other servers and charge them $$$. Btw, does Archon pay Badlion for detecting the hackers?
Posted on 01 November 2015 - 04:13 PM
Prixy wrote
I am an example of said road
Posted on 04 November 2015 - 11:00 PM
SkillAuraOnly wrote
Prixy wrote...
I am an example of said road
Posted on 05 November 2015 - 10:49 AM
HoppyDays wrote
I hope you're joking. I understand your point but…
Posted on 05 November 2015 - 11:04 AM
Nope.Posted on 06 November 2015 - 08:57 PM
SpookyPosted on 06 November 2015 - 09:13 PM
SkillAuraOnly wrote
Prixy wrote...
I am an example of said road
But you only tagged GBerry like a million times
Posted on 07 November 2015 - 03:54 PM
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