Posted on 19 December 2015 - 12:51 AM
Pros-Nothing
Cons
-Everything
What we should bring back.
-16 Pearls
-Speed 2 POTS <3
-3 shot or at least deal more damage
Posted on 19 December 2015 - 01:31 AM
SkillAuraOnly wrote
Yeah I suggested this to @MasterGberry but he did bring up the argument that you can't really bow spam unless you're at a pretty close range.
Maybe we can buff the long range damage while keeping the short range damage the same.
I also don't know why people complain about enderpearls, they're supposed to be used to get away from people or to get to an advantageous spot. Pearling close to players will let you bow spam them, but when you're doing like 1 heart every 4 hits at a close range I don't think anyone would do that?
DISCUSS, CRITICIZE!
Posted on 19 December 2015 - 02:58 AM
SmellyPenguin wrote
SkillAuraOnly wrote...
Yeah I suggested this to @MasterGberry but he did bring up the argument that you can't really bow spam unless you're at a pretty close range.
Maybe we can buff the long range damage while keeping the short range damage the same.
I also don't know why people complain about enderpearls, they're supposed to be used to get away from people or to get to an advantageous spot. Pearling close to players will let you bow spam them, but when you're doing like 1 heart every 4 hits at a close range I don't think anyone would do that?
DISCUSS, CRITICIZE!
It doesn't put somebody who wants to bow spam at a disadvantage by making the bow spam shots do little damage, because the other guy's shots do just as little damage, and it's boring as fuck and really dumb
Posted on 19 December 2015 - 03:00 AM
Hivlik wrote
SmellyPenguin wrote...
It doesn't put somebody who wants to bow spam at a disadvantage by making the bow spam shots do little damage, because the other guy's shots do just as little damage, and it's boring as fuck and really dumb
The other guy shouldn't be bow spamming back, if they are then they just suck and don't know the strategy of the ladder. The other guy should be running or pearling away and bowing the guy down.
Posted on 19 December 2015 - 04:13 AM
The pearls aren't at all an issue - I honestly, don't mind the new archer changes. However, I would much prefer a 3 shot kill at long range.Posted on 19 December 2015 - 05:01 AM
Redex_ wrote
Maybe if an agreement is made and if we get enough people's feedback in this thread, we can make the change to buff long range shots.
Posted on 19 December 2015 - 05:04 AM
SmellyPenguin wrote
Redex_ wrote...
Maybe if an agreement is made and if we get enough people's feedback in this thread, we can make the change to buff long range shots.
Please buff long range shots ^_^
Posted on 19 December 2015 - 05:57 AM
SmellyPenguin wrote
Redex_ wrote...
Maybe if an agreement is made and if we get enough people's feedback in this thread, we can make the change to buff long range shots.
Seems reasonable, thank you. In addition, I prefer the distance system in oppose to the damage based of how changed the bow is as it's more about aim and skill than bowspam.
Posted on 19 December 2015 - 07:02 AM
Redex_ wrote
SmellyPenguin wrote...
Seems reasonable, thank you. In addition, I prefer the distance system in oppose to the damage based of how changed the bow is as it's more about aim and skill than bowspam.
We could also make the bow charge affect damage as well. I brought this point up to MasterGBerry, but he changed my mind. Now that I know of this problem and of the preference to have long range shots deal more damage than they currently deal, this may solve that problem. Could probably change damage to 2.0-2.5x at max charge, 1.0x at medium charge and 0.6x at low charge. This would make long range shots (and medium range shots at full charge) even stronger and nerf bow spamming even more.
Posted on 19 December 2015 - 07:20 AM
Archer at the start of this season was cool, now it's more like 1,5 heart/hit and people start to camp (some new maps are not cool, honestly) when you hit them 4-5 times. Before, they were dead at this moment.Posted on 19 December 2015 - 07:27 AM
lechampionkev wrote
And if not maybe change it to how it was in season 8? Maybe? I liked it the most and many will agree with me.
Posted on 19 December 2015 - 09:03 AM
Archer shouldn't be a three shot, but it shouldn't be like a six shot either with full distance and full bow charge. Maybe 3 hearts per max range plus fully charged bowPosted on 19 December 2015 - 12:20 PM
qllqh wrote
Posted on 19 December 2015 - 01:16 PM
SmellyPenguin wrote
Redex_ wrote...
We could also make the bow charge affect damage as well. I brought this point up to MasterGBerry, but he changed my mind. Now that I know of this problem and of the preference to have long range shots deal more damage than they currently deal, this may solve that problem. Could probably change damage to 2.0-2.5x at max charge, 1.0x at medium charge and 0.6x at low charge. This would make long range shots (and medium range shots at full charge) even stronger and nerf bow spamming even more.
After some playing of the archer ladder, I have really come to dislike the current system for these reasons:
> Matches have A LOT more bowspammers now, this is because long range shooting is less effective now. People literally pearl a few blocks away you and spam you.
> It takes a lot less skill to win a match now - long range shots take a lot more skill and practice to achieve and if they're less effective, it makes it a far worse tactic. Most players can get shots from 10-15 blocks away.
> Matches seem to drag on a lot more.
Here is the best solution I can think of:
Long range + fully charged = 3.0hp
Long range + half charged = 2.5hp
Long range + limp arrow = 2hp
Short range + fully charged = 1.5hp
Short range + half charged = 1hp
Short range + limp arrow = 0.5hp
Posted on 20 December 2015 - 09:42 AM
Bring back the season 8 kit, that was the best, or at least the most consistent IMO.Also there are a number of problems with this season's ladder:
Is it just me or recently can you only do 2 hearts at a maximum, no matter the distance? Since when did archer turn into a ladder you need to hit between 5 and 15 shots, depending on the distance? At that point it's not really skill based, it's just who can do the epilepsy strafe/pearl and try to just hit as many shots, not caring for strafe.
Maps aren't too good, especially the green hill one and then fountain one.
Posted on 20 December 2015 - 09:49 AM
There was literally no problem with season 10's kit. At the start it was kinda hard to kill campers, but if you take out that kind of map, there's no problem with the ladder at all.Posted on 20 December 2015 - 10:06 AM
yeah, gotta admit, the constant 7 shot matches are beginning to get annoyingPosted on 20 December 2015 - 12:10 PM
Hivlik wrote
Literally all problems would be gone if we went back to the season 10 kit, speed 2 included.
Posted on 20 December 2015 - 04:09 PM
THIS ARCHER AND THE MAPS ARE AID AFPosted on 20 December 2015 - 04:12 PM
qazzy1122 wrote
Hivlik wrote...
Literally all problems would be gone if we went back to the season 10 kit, speed 2 included.
+1 to this or the kit at the beginning of s11