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Posted on 22 December 2015 - 07:06 AM

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Honestly what I think, the only reason these people are disagreeing with butterfly clicking is because they can't do it themselves. If they want to keep butterfly clicking bannable, they need to get it more I guess "out there." I got banned for butterfly clicking and I had no clue it was bannable because it honestly doesn't give that much of an advantage, I just don't want to sweat my butt off jitter clicking all the time.

I can butterfly click pretty easily, but it's still cheat as fuck. Watch the video link above your post

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Last edited on 22 December 2015 - 10:58 AM by Sprint

Nicosby wrote

One button, one finger.
If you think getting 20+ cps in blockgame pvp is fun and legit, I'm sorry for you, but you clearly do not understand how PvP is supposed to be. Also,the fact that famous youtubers use this stupid and cheap trick doesn't mean it is okay! Stop trying to make it look like everyone can do it and stop trying to make it look good or legit, because it obviously isn't.

In case you haven't noticed (which I highly doubt) stuff like this has already been suggested a lot lately. People with common sense (players,mods,admins) said it shouldn't be allowed. Period. If the admins change their minds eventually, they'll "edit" Gcheat and let everyone know about it. Untill then, stop trying to bring up points that got already denied before.

Out of all the stupid shit I have read on the internet, this is up there.
1. This is a competitive game, like it or not, many view it as more than just a "blockgame"
2. Everyone can do it, it isn't that hard, much safer health wise and easier than jitterclicking.
3. It is legit, they aren't modifying their mouse or client or anything, it is a way of clicking 100% legit with your fingers, if that isn't legit, then I don't know what is.
4. Common sense? Anyone with common sense would realize that a legitimate way of clicking with your fingers, no modifications should be allowed.
5. Don't try to mock him by quoting his "edit" GCheat, I know if a single, talented coder like prplz can edit their anticheat to allow butterfly clicking, which is legit (explains why he fixed AntiSkid to allow it??) two very talented coders, Archy and Gberry, one which has a degree in computer science, can fix GCheat to allow butterfly clicking, don't give me that "one finger, one button" bullshit because it is legit, the player should be able to use however the fuck many fingers they want on their mouse button as long as they are clicking with one button and have a clean, unmodified client and hardware.

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If your arm hurts too much while jitterclicking, don't do it. You don't need to get high cps to pvp and win a fight. I personally don't jitterclick, I'm stable at 7-8 (I can get to 10 sometimes) cps and my aim is good. You're acting like the only thing you need is to get quite high cps, and that's kinda stupid. You do not need these stupid and cheap tricks to pvp properly. Just practice more and you'll see your cps will get slightly higer after a while.

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Lol rekt

1. Their arms hurt because they are violently shaking their arm muscles constantly, that isn't good for you.
2. High CPS can help, they found a legitimate way to safely click fast and they are doing it. Don't fault them for that.
3. Just because you can, doesn't mean others can click the same way as you. You found your way to click, and they found theirs. Both legit ways.
4. It isn't "stupid and cheap" like I said, and will say again, it is legit, mouse modifications and illegal macros and autoclickers/triggerbots are cheap and stupid.
5. "Lol rekt" you are a moderator, grow the fuck up.

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Posted on 22 December 2015 - 12:00 PM

Sprint wrote

Nicosby wrote...

Out of all the stupid shit I have read on the internet, this is up there.
1. This is a competitive game, like it or not, many view it as more than just a "blockgame"
2. Everyone can do it, it isn't that hard, much safer health wise and easier than jitterclicking.
3. It is legit, they aren't modifying their mouse or client or anything, it is a way of clicking 100% legit with your fingers, if that isn't legit, then I don't know what is.
4. Common sense? Anyone with common sense would realize that a legitimate way of clicking with your fingers, no modifications should be allowed.
5. Don't try to mock him by quoting his "edit" GCheat, I know if a single, talented coder like prplz can edit their anticheat to allow butterfly clicking, which is legit (explains why he fixed AntiSkid to allow it??) two very talented coders, Archy and Gberry, one which has a degree in computer science, can fix GCheat to allow butterfly clicking, don't give me that "one finger, one button" bullshit because it is legit, the player should be able to use however the fuck many fingers they want on their mouse button as long as they are clicking with one button and have a clean, unmodified client and hardware.

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Nicosby wrote...

1. Their arms hurt because they are violently shaking their arm muscles constantly, that isn't good for you.
2. High CPS can help, they found a legitimate way to safely click fast and they are doing it. Don't fault them for that.
3. Just because you can, doesn't mean others can click the same way as you. You found your way to click, and they found theirs. Both legit ways.
4. It isn't "stupid and cheap" like I said, and will say again, it is legit, mouse modifications and illegal macros and autoclickers/triggerbots are cheap and stupid.
5. "Lol rekt" you are a moderator, grow the fuck up.

1. Agreed, I've never liked this argument
2. I've done a lot of looking, and to this day, I have never seen a single piece of solid evidence, or even mediocre evidence, that jitter clicking is unhealthy in any way. In fact, I've seen people use the same type of muscle tension in like yoga and shit to build muscles
3. Watch the video I quoted tylarzz with on the first page
4.^
5.^

edit ones:
1. Again, I'd like to see some evidence of this
2. This is true
3. Also true
4. It's stupid and cheap because it creates extra illegitimate clicks, again reference that video
5. can't argue with that tbh

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Posted on 22 December 2015 - 12:00 PM

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Last edited on 23 December 2015 - 04:20 AM by Nicosby

Sprint wrote

Nicosby wrote...

Out of all the stupid shit I have read on the internet, this is up there.
1. This is a competitive game, like it or not, many view it as more than just a "blockgame"
2. Everyone can do it, it isn't that hard, much safer health wise and easier than jitterclicking.
3. It is legit, they aren't modifying their mouse or client or anything, it is a way of clicking 100% legit with your fingers, if that isn't legit, then I don't know what is.
4. Common sense? Anyone with common sense would realize that a legitimate way of clicking with your fingers, no modifications should be allowed.
5. Don't try to mock him by quoting his "edit" GCheat, I know if a single, talented coder like prplz can edit their anticheat to allow butterfly clicking, which is legit (explains why he fixed AntiSkid to allow it??) two very talented coders, Archy and Gberry, one which has a degree in computer science, can fix GCheat to allow butterfly clicking, don't give me that "one finger, one button" bullshit because it is legit, the player should be able to use however the fuck many fingers they want on their mouse button as long as they are clicking with one button and have a clean, unmodified client and hardware.

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Nicosby wrote...

1. Their arms hurt because they are violently shaking their arm muscles constantly, that isn't good for you.
2. High CPS can help, they found a legitimate way to safely click fast and they are doing it. Don't fault them for that.
3. Just because you can, doesn't mean others can click the same way as you. You found your way to click, and they found theirs. Both legit ways.
4. It isn't "stupid and cheap" like I said, and will say again, it is legit, mouse modifications and illegal macros and autoclickers/triggerbots are cheap and stupid.
5. "Lol rekt" you are a moderator, grow the fuck up.

@Sprint @Hivlik
"Lol rekt" was referred to what Tene said. I clicked the "reply" button instead of the "quote" button. Do you seriously think I would say "rekt" to someone? That's sad.
I wasn't trying to mock him when I said "edit". I just didn't know if edit was the proper verb to use in that contex, hence the " ".
Chill out and think before posting stuff like this. Remember I am a Moderator and represent the server, I can't be a dick, I can't be disrespectful. I hope you kinda realise that now.

Now I have to go eat dinner, I have some more things to say about your points about butterfly clicking.

EDIT: website was down so I couldn't reply right away,sorry.
Anyway, I found something Hivlik posted on the ocn forums. I'll just paste it here, it is really useful.

Hivlik wrote

That's not the point of the "one finger, one click, one input, one output" rule. The fact of the matter is that butterfly clicking has a known bug on many mice where the second click puts in two click packets. That means that one butterfly click motion = two mouse clicks = three Minecraft hits. The second click then obviously sets off the double click check (the same one that picks up people who set their mouse to send in two click packets every time they click once). That one finger rule isn't there because people thing butterfly clicking is an illegitimate method; it's there to stop players from accidentally abusing that mouse glitch to create and send illegitimate clicks.

There you go.

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