Posted on 18 January 2016 - 11:38 AM
lachrymal_katya wrote
+1
Posted on 18 January 2016 - 02:02 PM
Religion is, as far as I'm concerned, no more than a myth. I believe that science is a more believable explanation for the creation (and demise) of the world we know.Posted on 18 January 2016 - 02:46 PM
BurntCactus wrote
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Posted on 18 January 2016 - 02:47 PM
elmoshlelmo wrote
mfw it's already an established fact most of the pentateuch is metaphorical (with the exception of leviticus being Jewish law)
Posted on 18 January 2016 - 02:49 PM
SmellyPenguin wrote
Edit: @Aymbaut Good point. This will be my last post on this account. Have to make a new forum user, but for now I'll just keep editing this post and tagging people for my replies.
I would like a Trump v Sanders thread but it would end up being 12 years olds saying TRUMP IS RACIST!!1!1!1! every other second and promoting sander's stupid economic policy.
Last edited on 18 January 2016 - 04:26 PM by ItsTene
gaelic wrote
elmoshlelmo wrote...
mfw it's already an established fact most of the pentateuch is metaphorical (with the exception of leviticus being Jewish law)
How do you judge metaphor vs literal? Isn't that extremely subjective? For example I could posit that the new testament is metaphorical.
Also to add to that. I'm pretty sure a fair bit of the torah is claiming to come directly from god so. (or at least god is involved in alot of the stories)
Posted on 18 January 2016 - 04:30 PM
IN MY OPINION I think religion has been a root of many problems in this world and I personally think the world would be better without religions.Again, this is just my thoughts.
Posted on 18 January 2016 - 06:56 PM
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Posted on 18 January 2016 - 07:06 PM
SmellyPenguin wrote
BurntCactus wrote...
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Posted on 19 January 2016 - 11:04 AM
It's sad to see that most of the human race are still religious, even after all the scientific advances there have beenLast edited on 19 January 2016 - 11:19 AM by Badware
Jinxful wrote
I 100% disagree. Science and religion can coexist, and they do for many people.
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Posted on 19 January 2016 - 11:51 AM
But it's just sad, scientists are supposed to think logicallyPosted on 19 January 2016 - 12:44 PM
Jinxful wrote
Posted on 19 January 2016 - 01:15 PM
ThatOneCombo wrote
Again, this is just my thoughts.
Same old same old argument. "But tha crusades!!! de inquersition!! and the uh uh uh duh duh duh the Ireland!!"
123 out of over 1700 wars have been caused by religion, and war is the greatest problem with the world despite it being necessary for we as the human race to evolve.
As well as that, other problems such as world hunger and poverty are mostly being solved by… religious charities? Yeah religion causes such a problem.
Think of it like this - Joseph McCarthy said Communism was the root of many problems in the world and the world would be better without it, and communism is an ideology like all religions, and you said Religion has been a root of many problems in this world and the world would be better without it. Basically you're a reverse McCarthy nice.
ItsTene wrote
gaelic wrote...
How do you judge metaphor vs literal? Isn't that extremely subjective? For example I could posit that the new testament is metaphorical.
Also to add to that. I'm pretty sure a fair bit of the torah is claiming to come directly from god so. (or at least god is involved in alot of the stories)
The torah is jewish law which is why it was made irrelevant upon Jesus' death on the cross.
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Jinxful wrote
You can't say religious because most religions now embrace science. Islam is really the only major religion that doesn't accept science. I mean look at Christianity (real Christianity like Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, not Protestants or Evangelists) and Hinduism are two of the three main major religions, and they have embraced science. Out of the top 5 even top 7 Islam is the only one to ignore science.
Posted on 19 January 2016 - 01:31 PM
gaelic wrote
Jinxful wrote...
You can't say religious because most religions now embrace science. Islam is really the only major religion that doesn't accept science. I mean look at Christianity (real Christianity like Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, not Protestants or Evangelists) and Hinduism are two of the three main major religions, and they have embraced science. Out of the top 5 even top 7 Islam is the only one to ignore science.
Islam doesn't "deny science" and Christianity doesn't uniformly accept science. Sects of each deny science. People (Christians) who deny evolution and global warming for religious reasons still exist, and likely will exist for a long time.
Posted on 19 January 2016 - 01:39 PM
Unwise wrote
gaelic wrote...
Islam doesn't "deny science" and Christianity doesn't uniformly accept science. Sects of each deny science. People (Christians) who deny evolution and global warming for religious reasons still exist, and likely will exist for a long time.
Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy accept science, the anti-christ false pope Francis himself said that evolution and the big bang theory are true, and I hope I don't hurt your feelings but Islam doesn't accept science. That's the cold hard truth. Look at the middle east, it's pretty shitty when it comes to scientific advancement. The same goes for Indonesia and Central Asia.
Posted on 19 January 2016 - 01:41 PM
gaelic wrote
gaelic wrote
ok i'll bite seeing as i have nothing better to do, do you seriously think there have only been 1700 wars?
Posted on 19 January 2016 - 02:10 PM
Religion and science don't necessarily contradict, and neither is science the alternative to religion. I don't like getting into religious arguments, but I feel it's ignorant to not acknowledge the existence of an all-powerful being and instead only focus on worldly affairs. Science can't—and will never be able to—answer everything, and putting all your faith into the observable is beyond me.gaelic wrote
Where did you get this from? No religion "ignores" science — you simply have separate people who individually interpret verses in different ways and form their own opinion about the relationship between religion and science.
Posted on 19 January 2016 - 02:18 PM
gaelic wrote
The world isn't as traditionalist as you think; go do your research
Last edited on 19 January 2016 - 04:25 PM by ItsTene
gaelic wrote
ThatOneCombo wrote...
Same old same old argument. "But tha crusades!!! de inquersition!! and the uh uh uh duh duh duh the Ireland!!"
123 out of over 1700 wars have been caused by religion, and war is the greatest problem with the world despite it being necessary for we as the human race to evolve.
As well as that, other problems such as world hunger and poverty are mostly being solved by… religious charities? Yeah religion causes such a problem.
Think of it like this - Joseph McCarthy said Communism was the root of many problems in the world and the world would be better without it, and communism is an ideology like all religions, and you said Religion has been a root of many problems in this world and the world would be better without it. Basically you're a reverse McCarthy nice.
ItsTene wrote...
The torah is jewish law which is why it was made irrelevant upon Jesus' death on the cross.
What ever though grats on staff
Jinxful wrote...
You can't say religious because most religions now embrace science. Islam is really the only major religion that doesn't accept science. I mean look at Christianity (real Christianity like Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, not Protestants or Evangelists) and Hinduism are two of the three main major religions, and they have embraced science. Out of the top 5 even top 7 Islam is the only one to ignore science.
You're just making unjustified assumptions now.
I've already explained how your premises are wrong.
Are you saying that the Torah wasn't metaphorical before Jesus died on the cross? So the flood happened before he did and now it didn't? How the hell does this make any sense? You're positing reverse causality.
Edit (objection I): All it says is the old testament law is changed. Not the stories or ANYTHING. You have to remember a large portion of your religion are science denying young earth creationists. If it states it so blatantly then why does this sect exist?
Edit 2 (objection II): So you're saying that these deaths are ok?
http://addictivelists.com/10-biggest-religious-wars-ever-fought/
Millions of people have died because of religion and in the name of religion.
Even though it shouldn't be our #1 goal of course imo I think the world would be better w/o it.
Edit 3 (objection III): It's funny because science is completely antithetical to religion and pretty much proves it all wrong. Nonetheless you are committing the no true scotsman fallacy here: I mean look at Christianity (real Christianity like Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, not Protestants or Evangelists)