Posted on 08 February 2016 - 01:15 PM
So whitelisting is a huge problem right now in the UHC's. There are countless people spamming for a whitelist. This is silly and doesn't help anything with lobby chat. It damages the ability to be able to have freedom of speech in the lobby.What are some alternative ideas for people to request whitelist to a UHC? I would like to cut down on the spam in the lobby. If needed I will auto-enable global mute before and after a UHC starts.
Posted on 08 February 2016 - 01:20 PM
@MasterGberry how about thisLet players join a queue and if a donator chooses to, they can contribute a wl to the queue. The first person in line will therefore be white listed and so on
Posted on 08 February 2016 - 02:12 PM
The queue idea sounds good so it'll be 'first come first serve' for non-donors. And maybe there could be a 50 player reserved slot for non-donors to help them and they can join a queue to get, the first 50 players get themselves in.Posted on 08 February 2016 - 03:15 PM
Non donors should be muted before the UHC. Donors who are willing to whitelist someone can then say in chat something along the lines of "MSG me for whitelist" and then the first person to msg gets a whitelist. Ayyyy?Last edited on 08 February 2016 - 06:41 PM by HAPPYBDAYFRANKA
There's multiple ways to go about this. I'll list some and name the downsides.One way would be a queue, as SkillAuraOnly also stated. This would mean lions or higher could either /WL queue add (or whatever command, since /WL add queue wouldn't work since queue would be seen as an IGN) or /WL add [IGN].
This raises a new possibility: Give D+ the option to whitelist people from the queue.
Using this option however has its downsides:
1. Getting a donator rank won't be as rewarding for the players that just want to play UHC anymore.
2. There would still be whitelist spam by people that got online late that have figured out they won't be getting a pre-whitelist by the queue anymore.
3. There would have to be some way to online whitelist players that are actually online and a way to tell them they're whitelisted, but you guys are smart, I'm sure you'll figure something out.
Option 2: Global muting the lobbies.
Easy as it is: global mute the lobbies. Downsides:
1. The spam would move into the arenapvp servers.
2. Players won't be able to talk to each other in the lobby, which I know happens quite frequently.
Option 3: Harsher punishments for whitelist spam.
This uses the scare factor a bit more. If we were to give harsher punishments for spam like the whitelist spam at every UHC, some people might get scared and just stop. A severe automute would probably do.
Downsides:
1. People can always bypass automute
2. If people bypass, there's not always a mod that can see it.
3. The word whitelist can also be used in a non-spammy context.
Option 4: Automute whitelist in the lobby for whatever time it is until the UHC start and disallow automuted non-donators to join the UHC.
Downsides:
1. Still, whitelist can be used in a non-spammy context, even by non-donators.
All in all I see a combination of option 1(Queues) and option 4(Automute+exclusion from the game) as the best option, as option 4 eliminates the most important downside from option 1(No.2).
Hope you take anything of this into consideration
–Loq.
Posted on 08 February 2016 - 07:01 PM
maybe host more games might be an option then they wont need to be whitelisted? Or just take whitelist off when the game is open for donors?Last edited on 08 February 2016 - 07:11 PM by MrGberry
SkillAuraOnly wrote
Let players join a queue and if a donator chooses to, they can contribute a wl to the queue. The first person in line will therefore be white listed and so on
No because most of the time people want to give their wl to a friend who doesn't have donor so they can team with them
Last edited on 08 February 2016 - 11:28 PM by trevorhk
Auto muting lobbies will, like Loq said, move the spam to other parts of the server. If you see this problem as extremely severe, you could create a plugin that stops chat.I'm not a coder but a rough idea would be:
The plugin times each player's text and if the player says too much of something within a certain timeframe, they will be auto muted. This could also work with words that filter bypass or terms that would be considered punishable. The potential for this idea is that every server on Badlion will have a "G-Cheat" but for chat. Staff will still need to use their judgement with phrases such as "Your kb is nonexistent" since it would take years to think of every sentence that would seem fit as a hackusation but it wouldn't take the purpose of having staff.
I mean, we already have Auto-mute and Word Filter, why not just evolve it to a plugin that stops 90% of all punishable chat text.
Now onto the donor ranks:
I like Loq's idea of having a queue setup. Thing is, Donators won't be able to whitelist their friends or people they wish to wl. -I imagine that problem can be handled easily though.
Why are servers having an overflowing amount of players? I see games that get at least 50 people over the limit. A system should be made so that donors can't wl anyone after the limit has been reached. That'll shut everything up as players will just spam for nothing and realize it's useless.
Cons:
I can assure that not all donators will use their ./wl add bonus, which will lead to an pile of spam. Loq's idea contradicts this problem with ease.
Less people will be able to play, and I know that's not what Badlion's intentions are. The solution? Expand the servers. Every FFA Game should have the max raised by 100, T02 by 150 and T03 by 200 and so on. ArenaPvP was expanded recently from 750 to 1000 so why can't UHCs do the same? Our community is growing and growing. This helps keep track with our increasing player base.
Anyways, I digress. We can either make a chat plugin that's like G-Cheat or make a limit system on the maxplayers in a game and stop the donors from being able to wl after the limit has been reached. Hope this ongoing problem can be resolved ASAP.
Posted on 09 February 2016 - 03:53 AM
SkillAuraOnly wrote
Let players join a queue and if a donator chooses to, they can contribute a wl to the queue. The first person in line will therefore be white listed and so on
i AGREE with this :)
Posted on 09 February 2016 - 05:52 AM
Perhaps non donors join Uhc first, and then the donators can join after, although this would create a bigger fill and be more laggyLast edited on 09 February 2016 - 12:53 PM by Bxggs
Maybe simply have a global mute for non donators? Maybe there could be like a queue and a few lucky people would be whitelisted in? I feel like the best way to get in is just spam "join" on the gapple…not in chat. xDPosted on 09 February 2016 - 04:32 PM
Posted on 16 February 2016 - 11:19 AM
Can me someone whitelist for UHC ThanksPosted on 16 February 2016 - 12:33 PM
Maybe mute lobbies and Arena PvP servers b4 a UHC starts. I don't like the queue thing because some people can't check which uhc server it is and the people who has the most spare time will always get in…Posted on 17 February 2016 - 04:49 AM
what about this? if u dont have a rank and is looking into the uhc you could do /add list. this will then add you to a list for a lion rank to add you to the game. when the lion rank joins the game and they dont have anyone to wl they could do /wl add list. this will then add the first player waiting on the list.Posted on 17 February 2016 - 06:32 AM
Automute whenever someone says whitelist 3 times in less than 15 secs, and also maybe reserve 50 slots for non donors? The first one might help a lot but the second one might help a little bitPosted on 17 February 2016 - 02:43 PM
Lion Ranks - 2 peopleDonor+ - 1 person
Donor - eligible to add 2 people into a queue
Posted on 17 February 2016 - 06:38 PM
I say ban em permanently so it will encourage them not to do it again after appealing. Which server wants spammy peasents anyway.Last edited on 17 February 2016 - 07:06 PM by WhatDefinesYou
DiamondCruster wrote
Donor+ - 1 person
Donor - eligible to add 2 people into a queue
I actually love this idea
how about donor+ gets 3 queue adds and lion gets 5?
Posted on 17 February 2016 - 07:07 PM
Teracerus wrote
It'll happen regardless, don't ban them for being ignorant or opportunistic