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My Humble Thoughts on Badlion's mid life crisis.
Posted on 31 May 2017 - 05:51 PM
GetComboed_ wrote
StarlightGlow wrote...
I do believe it is! I think badlion is growing, both updates and players.
Not changing quick enough then because the player count looks the same
Last edited on 31 May 2017 - 06:16 PM by DerRevilos
This is one of this posts in which ppl say:"Oh please don't get buthurt because of criticism."
And then you present your opinions as a fact and it must be true.
Posted on 31 May 2017 - 06:12 PM
UVpickles wrote
Although I disagree with most of what you said, you bring up good points. The thing is though, Badlion is pushing out a bunch of new things at the come of season 15, and just in the near future, that a majority of the community has been dying for.
Also, another problem you fail to realize is that we can't just ban with less evidence. It's unfair to those who get banned unfairly, and the numbers will just increase if we ban for less evidence, which will also kill Badlion in it's own way. We try to be fair to everyone.
We also can't just get more staff. We rely solely off of dedicated individuals who apply, and there is no way to force someone to start moderating and enjoy it. Yes, you can offer money, but this will realistically never happen, and if it did it would only force people to moderate for all the wrong reasons. If you wish to apply, go ahead. The main issue is that there seems to be a lack of interest from the community. This has also been worked on because Badlion has been urging people to apply for awhile now.
Also, 90% of the community having some sort of cheat is just plain unrealistic. If you can find cold hard evidence to back that number up, I'll believe you. But for now, this is just a number you pulled out of your ass to prove your point. Yes, it's a problem. And yes, the anti-xray, along with the anti-cheat in general, needs to improve, and will always need to do so.
At the come of season 15, I'm pretty sure GCheat gets another update (@MasterGberry to confirm) which will decrease the amount of cheaters significantly. This season has been running on for a long time, which means that GCheat has lacked an update for a long time. Also, at the come of summer there will most likely be more people applying for staff because there will generally be more players and more people with an increasing amount of free time.
Yes, hosts and some mods have xray to catch cheaters. It helps hosts catch people who use xray, cave finder, tracers, ect. Xray can also be generally helpful when watching campers, teamers, and sometimes cheaters in other gamemodes, as it can help mods see through blocks if they get in the way.
As much as you may hate the 'new shit', plenty of others like it. Plenty of others also look forward to the communal benefits that the 'new shit' has to offer in the future. It may all suck now, but if the community puts a little faith into it and supports it, then there will be more who are generally involved in it, which will in turn further growth and support for the new ideas and projects. Hey, it may not be successful now, but at least there is a positive goal in mind that a majority of people would support.
Thanks for reading all this, but this is what I personally view about the topics in this thread :)
Also, another problem you fail to realize is that we can't just ban with less evidence. It's unfair to those who get banned unfairly, and the numbers will just increase if we ban for less evidence, which will also kill Badlion in it's own way. We try to be fair to everyone.
We also can't just get more staff. We rely solely off of dedicated individuals who apply, and there is no way to force someone to start moderating and enjoy it. Yes, you can offer money, but this will realistically never happen, and if it did it would only force people to moderate for all the wrong reasons. If you wish to apply, go ahead. The main issue is that there seems to be a lack of interest from the community. This has also been worked on because Badlion has been urging people to apply for awhile now.
Also, 90% of the community having some sort of cheat is just plain unrealistic. If you can find cold hard evidence to back that number up, I'll believe you. But for now, this is just a number you pulled out of your ass to prove your point. Yes, it's a problem. And yes, the anti-xray, along with the anti-cheat in general, needs to improve, and will always need to do so.
At the come of season 15, I'm pretty sure GCheat gets another update (@MasterGberry to confirm) which will decrease the amount of cheaters significantly. This season has been running on for a long time, which means that GCheat has lacked an update for a long time. Also, at the come of summer there will most likely be more people applying for staff because there will generally be more players and more people with an increasing amount of free time.
Yes, hosts and some mods have xray to catch cheaters. It helps hosts catch people who use xray, cave finder, tracers, ect. Xray can also be generally helpful when watching campers, teamers, and sometimes cheaters in other gamemodes, as it can help mods see through blocks if they get in the way.
As much as you may hate the 'new shit', plenty of others like it. Plenty of others also look forward to the communal benefits that the 'new shit' has to offer in the future. It may all suck now, but if the community puts a little faith into it and supports it, then there will be more who are generally involved in it, which will in turn further growth and support for the new ideas and projects. Hey, it may not be successful now, but at least there is a positive goal in mind that a majority of people would support.
Thanks for reading all this, but this is what I personally view about the topics in this thread :)
Last edited on 31 May 2017 - 06:16 PM by jezi_is_cracked
DerRevilos wrote
This is one of this posts in which ppl say:
"Oh please don't get buthurt because of criticizm."
And then you present your opinions as a fact and it must be true.
"Oh please don't get buthurt because of criticizm."
And then you present your opinions as a fact and it must be true.
nvm that was mean
Posted on 31 May 2017 - 06:20 PM
MasterGberry wrote
We do have plans to update a lot of things on Badlion Open including ArenaPvP & UHC + more soon (in June).
I also want to quickly point out that the cheater rate on BAC protected stuff (such as BAC UHC's or Badlion Premium gamemodes) is the lowest in the entire Minecraft community. Not even 0.5% of players are cheating. Compare this to the 30% of players who are currently banned on Badlion Open or the 12.5% of people Hypixel has banned for cheating (going off Watchdog stats).
The reality is if the Minecraft community doesn't want to be overran by cheaters and self implode as it slowly is people need to change and accept the offerings that new technologies like client anticheats are bringing.
There is literally 0 excuse for anyone who plays legit on Badlion Open UHC's to not be playing BAC UHC's when Badlion Client 1.1 rolls out. It has every feature of Badlion Open (except mods/hosts which are going to get added soon) and is the ultimate solution to avoiding cheaters.
We still plan on supporting Badlion Open and trying to keep it as a cheat free place but with the clients getting very advanced now the time of server anticheats is coming to an end slowly and client anticheats will be the way forward.
I also want to quickly point out that the cheater rate on BAC protected stuff (such as BAC UHC's or Badlion Premium gamemodes) is the lowest in the entire Minecraft community. Not even 0.5% of players are cheating. Compare this to the 30% of players who are currently banned on Badlion Open or the 12.5% of people Hypixel has banned for cheating (going off Watchdog stats).
The reality is if the Minecraft community doesn't want to be overran by cheaters and self implode as it slowly is people need to change and accept the offerings that new technologies like client anticheats are bringing.
There is literally 0 excuse for anyone who plays legit on Badlion Open UHC's to not be playing BAC UHC's when Badlion Client 1.1 rolls out. It has every feature of Badlion Open (except mods/hosts which are going to get added soon) and is the ultimate solution to avoiding cheaters.
We still plan on supporting Badlion Open and trying to keep it as a cheat free place but with the clients getting very advanced now the time of server anticheats is coming to an end slowly and client anticheats will be the way forward.
Nice, this is the response I was hoping to see. Sorry if I came across a bit rude, not exactly the politest mineman on the planet but defo one of the most committed :)
Posted on 31 May 2017 - 06:56 PM
I don't understand it when people say Badlion is filled with hackers. I haven't found any yet and I have over 2000 ranked matches played.Posted on 31 May 2017 - 07:24 PM
Koknia wrote
StarlightGlow wrote...
Yeah.. I wonder when they're going to recruit new staff members. :3
Going to apply ??? huh
Posted on 31 May 2017 - 08:06 PM
Creqth wrote
I don't understand it when people say Badlion is filled with hackers. I haven't found any yet and I have over 2000 ranked matches played.
Hmm don't take offense but you're silver in most kits. You play against other players that aren't as er "skilled". Hackers tend to be in the higher ranks, therefore you probably don't find em often. Even so, you probably do fight a few emeralds that are hacking but you juts think their good ;p
Posted on 31 May 2017 - 08:09 PM
JackyFTW wrote
Unwise wrote...
Agreed
You came in 2016… and your stats are horrendous.I don't mean any form of insult but if your new to the game or not very experienced, not very skilled, you can't judge or nearly understand the community as players who've been there since the start and have become "skilled" players. P.S. (I don't think I'm very skilled)
Posted on 31 May 2017 - 08:10 PM
DerRevilos wrote
This is one of this posts in which ppl say:
"Oh please don't get buthurt because of criticism."
And then you present your opinions as a fact and it must be true.
"Oh please don't get buthurt because of criticism."
And then you present your opinions as a fact and it must be true.
Cool story bro. It's my forum post, it's what I believe, it's what I post.
Posted on 31 May 2017 - 08:21 PM
Aogiri_Eto wrote
Going to apply ??? huh
Going to? pshhhhhhht
Posted on 31 May 2017 - 09:08 PM
You say that this server needs to be fixed but how do you propose we go about doing that? How do we simply stop all the cheaters and make this game 100% fair for everyone? The simple answer is that this game will never be 100% fair to everyone because of how it is and the fact that the randomness of the game affects everyone in their own way. The closest way to being fully fair for all players will be Badlion premium due to the fact that it will work in stopping all cheaters and rule breakers. What other method would you recommend the staff team follow to make it fair for everyone? You also say that the community is dying, is an average of seven thousand players a day what you consider dying? The community is far from dying you are just focusing on the negatives and not looking for the positives. With ESL coming to sponsor Badlion and many people becoming partners, the community is steadily growing and will continue to do so. Lastly, the rating system is also being redone and changed for season 15 so you are unable to talk down upon it until the full release happens and you experience it for yourself.You say you want us to be harsher with UHC and forget the three pieces of evidence rule, all that would do is cause many more false bans. The rule is there for a reason and that is to ensure a player is actually cheating and that a legitimate player does not get banned at the result of our poor judgment. You also say that we should start screensharing, why do you think Badlion has not done this yet? Because it is a slow and ineffective way of catching cheaters. Screensharing is a process that not only takes quite some tome to completely do but also takes accurate knowledge of how to go about the process. Most people do not fully know how to and would have to be trained and even then mistakes will be made. The moderators gathering evidence the current way is the most efficient and effective rather than waste time in methods that are flawed in several ways.
You also say that many UHC staff members xray and assist other cheaters in getting away with this. What proof do you have? Where did your information come from? Who is your source? You are generalizing the staff team as a group of individuals assisting cheaters due to online friendships. This is entirely not true and the majority of staff members would rather ban all cheaters rather than letting them play and improving their image. You also say the staff xray themselves, where did you acquire such knowledge? What makes you think you know exactly what goes on with the staff team and how it runs? The majority of this post is misinformed stereotypical, spat out statements that you can not back up with actual evidence and facts.
Last edited on 31 May 2017 - 10:38 PM by riverdales
;-;Posted on 31 May 2017 - 11:50 PM
idk why people are giving him shit for his opinion (well i do but smh) everything he said is basically true…i just hope badlion decides to fix this shit before its too late
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 12:26 AM
Automatically DeletedLast edited on 01 June 2017 - 01:02 AM by iHackLiTE
Can't remember the last time I queued up with someone who I had seen at least one time in my life prior to the match I had just been put in with them.In other words, no one that normally plays Badlion is currently playing Badlion. It's a bunch of randoms that play a few matches and get bored and don't play anymore. In other other words, Badlion is dying. Arena currently has an incredibly low player count relative to the past. It's not fun to play Badlion anymore, because It's extremely lacking and slow-paced.
Anyone who says otherwise: you can pull up whatever bullshit statistic you want but it doesn't make anything different. If you wanna try and still praise Badlion for making unwise decisions that's killing the playerbase, then you're lying to Badlion, its community, and most definitely yourself.
It's pissing me off seeing some of the staff write essays trying to disprove the very clear fact that Badlion just isn't doing so hot right now. You're full of it.
The original post isn't nonsense. It isn't rage. It isn't biased. It isn't a lie. And it isn't ignorance. It's bold faced truth, and if you wanna try and act like everyone with such an opinion is idiotic, then enjoy the few hundred more Badlion diss threads that'll appear until Badlion finally decides to not disappoint the community.
The last person I want quoting me and trying to call me an idiot is some biased and arrogant prick from the staff team acting all-knowing when chances are A) He or she either barely actually plays the server to do anything other than being staff B) He or she is low-key sweating for a promotion C) He or she spends 99% of their time playing Minecraft on Badlion and therefore has no knowledge of anything in the MC community other than Badlion. And yes, instance C most definitely includes our Owner friends.
Keep urging people to believe in S15/Premium all you want, but truth is people literally do not care until it's PROVEN go be good. No amount of biased staff opinions is gonna change that
Last edited on 01 June 2017 - 01:43 AM by Archybot
iHackLiTE wrote
Can't remember the last time I queued up with someone who I had seen at least one time in my life prior to the match I had just been put in with them.
In other words, no one that normally plays Badlion is currently playing Badlion. It's a bunch of randoms that play a few matches and get bored and don't play anymore. In other other words, Badlion is dying. Arena currently has an incredibly low player count relative to the past. It's not fun to play Badlion anymore, because It's extremely lacking and slow-paced.
Anyone who says otherwise: you can pull up whatever bullshit statistic you want but it doesn't make anything different. If you wanna try and still praise Badlion for making unwise decisions that's killing the playerbase, then you're lying to Badlion, its community, and most definitely yourself.
It's pissing me off seeing some of the staff write essays trying to disprove the very clear fact that Badlion just isn't doing so hot right now. You're full of it.
The original post isn't nonsense. It isn't rage. It isn't biased. It isn't a lie. And it isn't ignorance. It's bold faced truth, and if you wanna try and act like everyone with such an opinion is idiotic, then enjoy the few hundred more Badlion diss threads that'll appear until Badlion finally decides to not disappoint the community.
The last person I want quoting me and trying to call me an idiot is some biased and arrogant prick from the staff team acting all-knowing when chances are A) He or she either barely actually plays the server to do anything other than being staff B) He or she is low-key sweating for a promotion C) He or she spends 99% of their time playing Minecraft on Badlion and therefore has no knowledge of anything in the MC community other than Badlion. And yes, instance C most definitely includes our Owner friends.
Keep urging people to believe in S15/Premium all you want, but truth is people literally do not care until it's PROVEN go be good. No amount of biased staff opinions is gonna change that
In other words, no one that normally plays Badlion is currently playing Badlion. It's a bunch of randoms that play a few matches and get bored and don't play anymore. In other other words, Badlion is dying. Arena currently has an incredibly low player count relative to the past. It's not fun to play Badlion anymore, because It's extremely lacking and slow-paced.
Anyone who says otherwise: you can pull up whatever bullshit statistic you want but it doesn't make anything different. If you wanna try and still praise Badlion for making unwise decisions that's killing the playerbase, then you're lying to Badlion, its community, and most definitely yourself.
It's pissing me off seeing some of the staff write essays trying to disprove the very clear fact that Badlion just isn't doing so hot right now. You're full of it.
The original post isn't nonsense. It isn't rage. It isn't biased. It isn't a lie. And it isn't ignorance. It's bold faced truth, and if you wanna try and act like everyone with such an opinion is idiotic, then enjoy the few hundred more Badlion diss threads that'll appear until Badlion finally decides to not disappoint the community.
The last person I want quoting me and trying to call me an idiot is some biased and arrogant prick from the staff team acting all-knowing when chances are A) He or she either barely actually plays the server to do anything other than being staff B) He or she is low-key sweating for a promotion C) He or she spends 99% of their time playing Minecraft on Badlion and therefore has no knowledge of anything in the MC community other than Badlion. And yes, instance C most definitely includes our Owner friends.
Keep urging people to believe in S15/Premium all you want, but truth is people literally do not care until it's PROVEN go be good. No amount of biased staff opinions is gonna change that
How this:
Since you can't accept that we are working on it and just want to talk shit, you can come back, once we've had time to fix it. Enjoy playing elsewhere during the summer. I'll decide later whether or not I wipe your stats since you've always said skill doesn't matter in this rating system so I wouldn't want you to be troubled at being #1 in such an awful rating system.
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 03:10 AM
Archybot wrote
iHackLiTE wrote...
How this:
Since you can't accept that we are working on it and just want to talk shit, you can come back, once we've had time to fix it. Enjoy playing elsewhere during the summer. I'll decide later whether or not I wipe your stats since you've always said skill doesn't matter in this rating system so I wouldn't want you to be troubled at being #1 in such an awful rating system.
Rip ihacklite
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 03:50 AM
Archybot wrote
iHackLiTE wrote...
How this:
Since you can't accept that we are working on it and just want to talk shit, you can come back, once we've had time to fix it. Enjoy playing elsewhere during the summer. I'll decide later whether or not I wipe your stats since you've always said skill doesn't matter in this rating system so I wouldn't want you to be troubled at being #1 in such an awful rating system.
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Heyhey archy my man, go easy bro. You know the saying "we pay we say" from runescape when the they kept pushing updates the community didn't want, and the community did protests. Imagine ihacklite as the martyr of the kohi community xd. He's just angry about rankings etc,he's put so many hours into the server, he obvs enjoys playing. I think alot of people have got to their breaking point so people say rude shit they don't mean. :33 ily xoxo
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