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My Humble Thoughts on Badlion's mid life crisis.
Last edited on 01 June 2017 - 04:05 AM by jezi_is_cracked
BabyGirlLuna wrote
idk why people are giving him shit for his opinion (well i do but smh) everything he said is basically true…
i just hope badlion decides to fix this shit before its too late
i just hope badlion decides to fix this shit before its too late
me too :v
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 04:22 AM
Purpkey wrote
You say that this server needs to be fixed but how do you propose we go about doing that? How do we simply stop all the cheaters and make this game 100% fair for everyone? The simple answer is that this game will never be 100% fair to everyone because of how it is and the fact that the randomness of the game affects everyone in their own way. The closest way to being fully fair for all players will be Badlion premium due to the fact that it will work in stopping all cheaters and rule breakers. What other method would you recommend the staff team follow to make it fair for everyone? You also say that the community is dying, is an average of seven thousand players a day what you consider dying? The community is far from dying you are just focusing on the negatives and not looking for the positives. With ESL coming to sponsor Badlion and many people becoming partners, the community is steadily growing and will continue to do so. Lastly, the rating system is also being redone and changed for season 15 so you are unable to talk down upon it until the full release happens and you experience it for yourself.
You say you want us to be harsher with UHC and forget the three pieces of evidence rule, all that would do is cause many more false bans. The rule is there for a reason and that is to ensure a player is actually cheating and that a legitimate player does not get banned at the result of our poor judgment. You also say that we should start screensharing, why do you think Badlion has not done this yet? Because it is a slow and ineffective way of catching cheaters. Screensharing is a process that not only takes quite some tome to completely do but also takes accurate knowledge of how to go about the process. Most people do not fully know how to and would have to be trained and even then mistakes will be made. The moderators gathering evidence the current way is the most efficient and effective rather than waste time in methods that are flawed in several ways.
You also say that many UHC staff members xray and assist other cheaters in getting away with this. What proof do you have? Where did your information come from? Who is your source? You are generalizing the staff team as a group of individuals assisting cheaters due to online friendships. This is entirely not true and the majority of staff members would rather ban all cheaters rather than letting them play and improving their image. You also say the staff xray themselves, where did you acquire such knowledge? What makes you think you know exactly what goes on with the staff team and how it runs? The majority of this post is misinformed stereotypical, spat out statements that you can not back up with actual evidence and facts.
You say you want us to be harsher with UHC and forget the three pieces of evidence rule, all that would do is cause many more false bans. The rule is there for a reason and that is to ensure a player is actually cheating and that a legitimate player does not get banned at the result of our poor judgment. You also say that we should start screensharing, why do you think Badlion has not done this yet? Because it is a slow and ineffective way of catching cheaters. Screensharing is a process that not only takes quite some tome to completely do but also takes accurate knowledge of how to go about the process. Most people do not fully know how to and would have to be trained and even then mistakes will be made. The moderators gathering evidence the current way is the most efficient and effective rather than waste time in methods that are flawed in several ways.
You also say that many UHC staff members xray and assist other cheaters in getting away with this. What proof do you have? Where did your information come from? Who is your source? You are generalizing the staff team as a group of individuals assisting cheaters due to online friendships. This is entirely not true and the majority of staff members would rather ban all cheaters rather than letting them play and improving their image. You also say the staff xray themselves, where did you acquire such knowledge? What makes you think you know exactly what goes on with the staff team and how it runs? The majority of this post is misinformed stereotypical, spat out statements that you can not back up with actual evidence and facts.
Check my reply to Opr or iHacklite's response regarding arenapvp, pretty much the same respone for you too on that.
Regarding UHC, what you guys need to do is get uhc mods/hosts who are actually experienced players who can easily tell when someone xrays or hacks rather than these mods who can't tell. You probably have a poor sense of judgement due to your lack of experience as a player(no offence) but an experienced uhc player can easily tell when someone's hacking or xraying. Meaning they have a good sense of judgement.
Regardomg uhc staff members , i'll take that back I said many. replace with a good portion of the minority xdxd. Source? UHC Mods. Like I said, I'm not going to say who cos I'll get into shit for that and not have a fun uhc experience.
And your last two lines sounded quite aggresive , you okay? Evidence and facts is what got ratings in the first place, look how that turned out. the community's opinion is valuable too. You'd understand that if you were skilled or experienced enough smh. You call it "misinfored stereotypical spat out statements", we call it the "community's feedback". Sorry if any of this was rude, I truly want Badlion to do well. Just a bit angry at the decline. have a good one xoxo
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 04:26 AM
5oft wrote
Jarecl wrote...
EU UHC IS DYING. before games would fill just with donors and ppl who got whitelisted.for.the last week or so you can just join. huge decrease in players well already the good ones. all gone to ultra. sorry typed on my.broken phone. reply to other when I'm home
I hope you understand it's gone down because it's prime exam season for EU. People are putting effort into working that little bit harder and then can stop over summer. They haven't all gone to ultra, that's just not true, the players who have gone to ultra tend to be the ones hiding something, something likes cheats as they know it's staff and anticheat are worse
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 05:03 AM
5oft wrote
for example , Kiivo plays before school usually from 5am to get ratings easily from these unskilled players. (reliable source). Take it easy xo
Not reliable if it isn't correct.
btw you are constantly mentioning how you know certain UHC Hosts who cheat themselves, how are we supposed to believe you?
If you care so much about the community and want Hosts to be stricter on X-Raying, why would you allow a Host to do it and not get them demoted and banned.
"But they are my friend" if they are your friend or not, If you care so much about people being punished and understand that cheating in UHCs is illegal, you would either tell them to stop and not associate yourself with them or report them to a senior staff and attempt to get them demoted.
However as you don't seem to want to say who the staff member/s are it seems like either you don't care about the community and cheaters being punished or you don't actually know any cheating hosts and are using it to back your argument
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 05:10 AM
Kiivo wrote
5oft wrote...
Not reliable if it isn't correct.
btw you are constantly mentioning how you know certain UHC Hosts who cheat themselves, how are we supposed to believe you?
If you care so much about the community and want Hosts to be stricter on X-Raying, why would you allow a Host to do it and not get them demoted and banned.
"But they are my friend" if they are your friend or not, If you care so much about people being punished and understand that cheating in UHCs is illegal, you would either tell them to stop and not associate yourself with them or report them to a senior staff and attempt to get them demoted.
However as you don't seem to want to say who the staff member/s are it seems like either you don't care about the community and cheaters being punished or you don't actually know any cheating hosts and are using it to back your argument
No, I'm not friends with the mods that cheat.I know of a few that do though. However, I refrain from stating names as it'll give me an unfair experience in UHC's. If it's possible to private message a senior and report a mod,sure I'll do it. As far as I know, that's not a thing? You don't need to believe me, but you're pretty ignorant and stupid if you think every uhc staff member is 100% legit. Once again, you lack experience and skill in the uhc department therefore your judgement isn't as "accurate" as others. Furthermore, many players do know about these hosts who cheat however fail to report them as they value being able to play a uhc over getting the host banned meaning less uhc's. Pretty sure he/she can be replaced but either way, thats how people think. Gotta love how you say I constantly mention it when its the smallest portion of my post.
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 05:15 AM
Magiclz wrote
5oft wrote...
I hope you understand it's gone down because it's prime exam season for EU. People are putting effort into working that little bit harder and then can stop over summer. They haven't all gone to ultra, that's just not true, the players who have gone to ultra tend to be the ones hiding something, something likes cheats as they know it's staff and anticheat are worse
You're just firing shots at Ultra. No, it's quite ignorant to think the reason is because of the exam season. THere's so much more than that. Check the reply to Opr and Ihacklites response(his is a bit rude so i'm sorry if it offends you :V). Regarding ultra, no , the good players going to ultra go because there's less cheating, regarding staff erm, have you ever played a badlion uhc or ultra uhc? >.< anticheat may be worse I do agree on that point tho bro.
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 05:24 AM
5oft wrote
Magiclz wrote...
You're just firing shots at Ultra. No, it's quite ignorant to think the reason is because of the exam season. THere's so much more than that. Check the reply to Opr and Ihacklites response(his is a bit rude so i'm sorry if it offends you :V). Regarding ultra, no , the good players going to ultra go because there's less cheating, regarding staff erm, have you ever played a badlion uhc or ultra uhc? >.< anticheat may be worse I do agree on that point tho bro.
Yeah, though my stats are awful now, I used to be quite dedicated to UHC, I've played badlion UHC since April 2015 and I have played 4-5 Ultra UHC's. Less cheats on ultra as it is a smaller server. The bigger the server the more people come to it, this also widens the audience to people who once a month and come on with friends and cheat and stuff. Ultra hasn't got that publicity so ofc less people will cheat
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 05:36 AM
Magiclz wrote
5oft wrote...
Yeah, though my stats are awful now, I used to be quite dedicated to UHC, I've played badlion UHC since April 2015 and I have played 4-5 Ultra UHC's. Less cheats on ultra as it is a smaller server. The bigger the server the more people come to it, this also widens the audience to people who once a month and come on with friends and cheat and stuff. Ultra hasn't got that publicity so ofc less people will cheat
But you just said the people who go there tend to be the ones cheating but now you're saying it has less cheaters :? confused :v umm, Ultra is quite popular… their games fill up in less than 5 seconds while Badlion takes 5minutes sometimes lol.(don't take offense, im team badlion xdxd)
Last edited on 01 June 2017 - 07:47 AM by lukazac
oh my life here it goesPosted on 01 June 2017 - 09:06 AM
5oft wrote
No, I'm not friends with the mods that cheat.I know of a few that do though. However, I refrain from stating names as it'll give me an unfair experience in UHC's. If it's possible to private message a senior and report a mod,sure I'll do it. As far as I know, that's not a thing?
This is a thing, feel free to PM one of the higher ups on the staff team (Mainly senior UHC/UHC Managers found here https://www.badlion.net/staff)
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 09:08 AM
_Link wrote
5oft wrote...
This is a thing, feel free to PM one of the higher ups on the staff team (Mainly senior UHC/UHC Managers found here https://www.badlion.net/staff)
Thank you , didn't know that.
Last edited on 01 June 2017 - 09:25 AM by Tvjuli
The thing is its easy to just complain about the cheaters and the queue system and everything but actually having a solucion? nope, every thread its the same just saying that everything is bad that badlion is going to die etc etc but noone has ever a solucion for it. And yes the queue system for high tiered players is annoying but since I have no clue whatsoever on how to fix it I just keep my mouth shut and try only to add ideas on to the table not just pointless rants.Im sure the admins are doing the best they can to get the best experience possible, because its in everyone best interest.
So instead of keep complaining about everything people should start helping, thats one of the main reasons I became moderator because I was kinda sick about all the toxicity in the SA Community.
Conclusion: If you have an idea great! glad to hear it, if not(which is 90% of the cases) dont cry.
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 10:39 AM
Tvjuli wrote
The thing is its easy to just complain about the cheaters and the queue system and everything but actually having a solucion? nope, every thread its the same just saying that everything is bad that badlion is going to die etc etc but noone has ever a solucion for it. And yes the queue system for high tiered players is annoying but since I have no clue whatsoever on how to fix it I just keep my mouth shut and try only to add ideas on to the table not just pointless rants.
Im sure the admins are doing the best they can to get the best experience possible, because its in everyone best interest.
So instead of keep complaining about everything people should start helping, thats one of the main reasons I became moderator because I was kinda sick about all the toxicity in the SA Community.
Conclusion: If you have an idea great! glad to hear it, if not(which is 90% of the cases) dont cry.
Im sure the admins are doing the best they can to get the best experience possible, because its in everyone best interest.
So instead of keep complaining about everything people should start helping, thats one of the main reasons I became moderator because I was kinda sick about all the toxicity in the SA Community.
Conclusion: If you have an idea great! glad to hear it, if not(which is 90% of the cases) dont cry.
No, you're wrong. I hate complaining without having solutions and I've clearly stated solutions.
Last edited on 01 June 2017 - 10:45 AM by Tvjuli
5oft wrote
Tvjuli wrote...
No, you're wrong. I hate complaining without having solutions and I've clearly stated solutions.
Nono you guys are taking this personaly im talking about forum ranting in general (Ihacklite is an exaple of this, and got banned because of it) I posted this on this post in particular because the replys are mostly based on complains, see how there isnt a single reply disscusing your ideas they are all arguing about if badlion is dying or not and that kind of stuff.
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 10:47 AM
Tvjuli wrote
5oft wrote...
Nono you guys are taking this personaly im talking about forum ranting in general (Ihacklite is an exaple of this, and got banned because of it) I posted this on this post in particular because the replys are mostly based on complains, see how there isnt a single reply disscusing your ideas they are all arguing about if badlion is dying or not and that kind of stuff.
Oh I see, in that case I agree !! sorry lol. Thought you were saying I'm just ranting without coming up with solutions which is something I hate in general. I do agree with that. Some of the mods need to be thinking like you my man :P
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 10:59 AM
Another thing about asking for staff to host uhc's. I emailed LENA and she hasn't replied for over a month. I really want to help the UHC community but you guys dont seem to want it to happen. SMHPosted on 01 June 2017 - 11:33 AM
Ok. Why is this even a thread? Badlion can be enjoyable every now and then when playing with friends. But I have to agree with you on Ultra being the only good alternative left. Maybe if you want to enjoy arena you should rank down to bronze 1 and fight kids that don't hack.Posted on 01 June 2017 - 11:49 AM
Zaoma wrote
Ok. Why is this even a thread? Badlion can be enjoyable every now and then when playing with friends. But I have to agree with you on Ultra being the only good alternative left. Maybe if you want to enjoy arena you should rank down to bronze 1 and fight kids that don't hack.
You say this, but if you're a high rank in any kit, you should be more than capable of beating someone who is cheating especially in kits like: Build, SG and a few other kits. With getting a high rank should come a lot of experience and skill for the player, meaning you can still have the edge over a cheater. So deranking yourself 1. would get you banned for MMR dropping and 2. Shows that possible you shouldn't have the rank that you have. In my opinion.
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 12:08 PM
JuztChicken wrote
Zaoma wrote...
You say this, but if you're a high rank in any kit, you should be more than capable of beating someone who is cheating especially in kits like: Build, SG and a few other kits. With getting a high rank should come a lot of experience and skill for the player, meaning you can still have the edge over a cheater. So deranking yourself 1. would get you banned for MMR dropping and 2. Shows that possible you shouldn't have the rank that you have. In my opinion.
their cheating tho lol
so by ur standards if im masters and i fight a 8 blocker i have the edge to beat him LOL
Posted on 01 June 2017 - 12:14 PM
Archybot wrote
iHackLiTE wrote...
How this:
Since you can't accept that we are working on it and just want to talk shit, you can come back, once we've had time to fix it. Enjoy playing elsewhere during the summer. I'll decide later whether or not I wipe your stats since you've always said skill doesn't matter in this rating system so I wouldn't want you to be troubled at being #1 in such an awful rating system.
Hahaha wiping stats because he said his opinion, may you believe its wrong or not, he hasn't done anything related to rating manipulation which would cause him a stats reset. Do you want to break your own rules, are you really that stupid?
Apart from that, I understand both of you. iHacks statements are sadly true, but yes I know you're working hard. However that doesn't change the fact that nobody gives two shits about Arena anymore until the season finally ends and Badlion Premiums player base will be extremly low since it has failed its first impression.
I know how hard it is to create these things and to manage them all at once, but being arrogant as well as not listening to the community at all (when was the last judgement day and how many have asked for one?) is not gonna help it, in fact it does the opposite.
I don't like how a lot of people automatically considers this thread as a rage thread, despite those who do it are mostly ass-licking staff members or those who would like to be one of them, the content itself is very direct, thus not too professional, but his points are all true in some way.
Badlion - in this context Arena - needs a change. The season needs to end, we need a judgement day, we need KB to be fixed in Build, the potlag needs to be removed and so much more, don't you see how the leaderboards haven't really changed at all the past months? The only thing that has really changed is the absolute ridiculous amount of Masters, which completely abolishes the actual meaning of the rank. iHack, Caleb, me, even fucking LUKAZAC don't play Arena anymore because we have no incentive to do so.
Now you can take these points into consideration and if you don't feel the same, give feedback to at least show you're listening. Or you can be the arrogant and biased person you like to present yourself as and reply with random garbage like you usually do. Your choice.
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