Last edited on 15 August 2017 - 02:35 AM by RyanOyster
Starting off, sadly I cannot compare other seasons to this season, however, the season 15 ELO and season 14 MMR are exactly the same, and I can prove this with some simple math, I will then convert some examples of high players from MMR to ELO and vice versa.
If I take my highest kit, and my lowest kit, 1495(nodebuff) and 1371(iron soup) and count the difference I get 124 ELO.
On my profile however, this shows as silver3 - 933(nodebuff) and silver4 - 280(iron soup).
By taking the difference and dividing both of these values we see that one season 15 ELO is roughly the same as 13.31 - 13.37 MMR.
(I did some more advanced calculations and it is inside that range 90% of the time).
So this shows that the minimum last season elo and this season, is still 13 MMR or possibly rounded up to 14 MMR i.e 1 ELO.
The maximum is the same too, as 214 MMR(maximum gain/loss season 14) / 16 ELO(maximum gain/loss season 15) = 13.375
This value seems to be the most accurate to continue with in my mind, as it is the two maximum values of both seasons.
I will conclude that 1 ELO == 13.375 MMR
now something interesting!
How to convert season 14 to season 15!
Get the rank of that player i.e [Masters]34
Count how many ranks that player is above bronze 5 i.e
5x1000 MMR to silver 5
10x1000 MMR to gold 5
15x1000 MMR to emerald 5
20x1000 MMR to diamond 5
25x1000 MMR to masters
add the excess points
convert!
I'll go through and convert all the s14 MMRs to ELO and show how many people gained masters by the s15 standards.
[Masters]13003 converts to 2841 Season 15 ELO
[Masters]11528 converts to 2731 Season 15 ELO
iHackLiTE's highest GApple MMR was [Masters]8477 (I think? Someone remind me…)
[Masters]8477 converts to 2502 Season 15 ELO
iHackLiTE's highest nodebuff MMR was [Masters]10110 in season 15 this translates to:
[Masters]10110 MMR converts to 2625 Season 15 ELO
These are the only players who have made it to the season 15 masters standard.
Well done, and congratulations to these three! I am very surprised that no one made it for BuildUHC.
Finally just for kicks, and I do realise that s12 used a different system and different maximums, but if we convert Danteh's 2800 ELO to MMR he gets [Masters]12450! GG!
Hopefully in the future I will be able to figure out a conversion between the other seasons but for now I gotta get back to my inference homework <3
1 ELO = 16.46 MMR for maximum but the gain is entirely different now so I'll need to use something else to convert.
Turns out masters season 15 is [Masters]16150 Season 15 and its way higher than anyone got.
Danteh to MMR now == [Masters]20920! he is actually so much higher than every other player by these calculations its insane.
Edit Edit
Nah we good, ELO conversion is ok, but someone needs to check my math ASAP.
Last edited on 15 August 2017 - 12:10 AM by RyanOyster
Some extra calculations just for fun:Posted on 15 August 2017 - 01:36 AM
Nice!Posted on 15 August 2017 - 01:57 AM
i got masters With 1 point last season ? according to you guys i wont make it to the masters division this season?Last edited on 15 August 2017 - 02:06 AM by RyanOyster
AudiioMedic wrote
Your performance this season is not related to the MMR of last season, if you aimed to get masters last season, I assume you stopped once you got it, so in this case, you wouldn't stop until you got to 2500 ELO.
In other words, if I convert your last seasons MMR to ELO, its not as high as 2500+ ELO, but with hardwork and a little bit of skill you can get any ELO you like!
Good luck on s15 masters, you can do it.
Posted on 15 August 2017 - 02:22 AM
Duvvvy wrote
AudiioMedic wrote...
Your performance this season is not related to the MMR of last season, if you aimed to get masters last season, I assume you stopped once you got it, so in this case, you wouldn't stop until you got to 2500 ELO.
In other words, if I convert your last seasons MMR to ELO, its not as high as 2500+ ELO, but with hardwork and a little bit of skill you can get any ELO you like!
Good luck on s15 masters, you can do it.
Posted on 16 August 2017 - 02:49 AM
woahPosted on 16 August 2017 - 08:51 AM
Hmm.Last edited on 16 August 2017 - 03:58 PM by Legendcaleb
Your math is wrong though, the max you could lose wasn't 214. It was 213 and a third.Also hacklite didn't get 8000 points into gapple she got 800 points into it, the highest gapple elo last season was mine when I had 2.2k into masters
Posted on 16 August 2017 - 05:07 PM
Legendcaleb wrote
Also hacklite didn't get 8000 points into gapple she got 800 points into it, the highest gapple elo last season was mine when I had 2.2k into masters
i.e
[Masters]25000 MMR == [Masters]2500 ELO
which is the most boring thing ive ever seen
Posted on 16 August 2017 - 10:43 PM
Duvvvy wrote
Legendcaleb wrote...
i.e
[Masters]25000 MMR == [Masters]2500 ELO
which is the most boring thing ive ever seen
Last edited on 16 August 2017 - 11:38 PM by GlueEater22
Legendcaleb wrote
Duvvvy wrote...
Is there any way we can see this graph of yours?
Posted on 17 August 2017 - 12:41 AM
Creqth wrote
Legendcaleb wrote...
Is there any way we can see this graph of yours?
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/g83vhgfujw
X Coordinate is elo separation
Y value is the elo gain
It doesn't work for players lower than the start I was too lazy to do limits or something so it's only a graph of a player who is higher than someone and their gain from the person X elo away from them
Posted on 17 August 2017 - 03:07 PM
Except this isn't related as Nobody will get 2800 in archer in an elo system buts its possible in the broken MMR system, elo doesn't compare to mmr that easily.Posted on 17 August 2017 - 04:24 PM
xSah wrote
Posted on 19 August 2017 - 02:07 PM
this conversion is a huge overestimatePosted on 23 August 2017 - 04:25 AM
1. MMR and Elo are calculated entirely differently. Can't convert that easily.2. Max gain/loss is 15, 16 is the k factor.
3. The profile thing is temporary. I don't know the exact math behind it, but it's just estimation. It's not actual values.