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Posted on 07 September 2015 - 04:32 AM

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This is a long post. Please do not make a serious comment if you haven't read it all.

I was hoping to get some sort of staff response to this.

As you can imagine, the players in the top 10 for a certain ladder you'd think are the best of the best, and ideally they are. Where my dilemma comes in is when those at the top of the leaderboards are just cheating, and don't deserve to be there. Right now I'm 1st on the GApple ladder, and it was tough to get there. I had something like a 120 win streak when I was trying to get 1st place. I went from the top 50s to the top 10 to 1st pretty quickly and put a lot of time into it, but when looking at the GApple ladder's top 10, I have the distinct feeling that very few, if not, none of the other players are doing it legitimately. I mean come on, there's a guy on there with TWO losses. TWO! I've lagged out more times than that, and my ping is 20-30. At times, I wouldn't queue up for GApple because I was afraid I would be matched one or more players that I know to be cheating. At the same time, I do believe that at least a few of the players that are high up on the leaderboards are legit, however I can only say that for the ones I've actually dueled.

Not only is it exceedingly difficult to get in the top 10 of a ladder legitimately, but it's also difficult to record those who are cheating. You'd think it'd be just as easy as starting a recording before getting into a duel with the guy, but it's more than that. As you may know, Badlion Admins and Mods will rarely, if not at all, accept hacker reports when they are recorded from your perspective (while fighting them in the duel). This is because various different factors can go into a duel that could make it seem like the other person is hacking, but they aren't. Some client-side problems such as Player 1 being right up in Player 2's face and getting a mad combo, but on Player 2's screen, Player 1 is a mile away. Or something as simple as someone using Regedit and/or having a low ping, and their opponent thinks they have reduced knockback. Catching these players can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Generally, players in the top 10 or so who are cheating do not need to do so against players with much lower elo than them. This is usually because they are somewhat decent at the game alone, and will only use hacks (at least, one's that are obvious) against players who they know are better than them, OR other players with clients. Furthermore, it becomes very difficult to catch these players even when spectating them, as they are unlikely to use something as obvious as full-fledged Kill Aura on someone who is only at 1400 elo and is not hacking. They sure as hell aren't going to hack hard on you a 2nd time if you aren't the one dueling them, that is if you have a high rating, because they are afraid that you might be spectating them. They might even leave the server and come back when you aren't there.

I prime example of this happened to me just this morning, (it's 3:35 AM where I am). I queued up for NoDebuff and encountered the player who is currently #1 on the Ladder. At the time, he was 2nd on the board, but sure enough in our duel, he hacked hard enough to insure his victory and then gained 1st place. Of course I attempted to spectate and record him in his next duel, but he had already left the server. To be honest, I wouldn't risk losing a match if I just earned 1st place as well, but in his case this is different. Even if he were in 5th place and had just hacked hard against his opponent so he didn't lose his elo, it's unlikely that the person cheating would do it again if they thought the player he'd just killed was spectating him. These people are genuinely good about not getting caught. It's not the same as the players you see getting banned by GCheat left and right. And to be brutally honest, those who do get autobanned either didn't know about the anticheat, or are testing something out on an alt account. You have be trying REALLY hard to get autobanned. I know; there's plenty of videos showcasing this.

Again, this is a serious matter that I think should be dealt with if the staff aren't already aware of it. Please, no hate comments or flaming in your responses.

Side Note

I know what some of you may be thinking. I'm 1st on the GApple leaderboards, and I know a lot about the mentality of these players; aren't I just another one of them? Well, I have a policy - I'll call it when I see it; meaning I'm not going to assume someone is cheating until I see that they are for myself. I personally think it's pointless to hackusate someone. *The two mutes I have for Hackusating was me just playing around lol. The mods ain't playin' around apparently*. Especially when you don't know for yourself that he or she is cheating. I also have a ban on my account, which I completely come forth and admit to. I was gone for a long two months and the wait was excruciating, and I would never do anything to get myself banned again. I'd also like to note that of the two videos on Youtube I managed to find of me "hacking"; one was by another player on Badlion who actually made a report on the forums about it, which eventually denied because the evidence was not solid. The other video is me blatantly using Kill Aura on Hypixel. During this time, my account was compromised due to a virus that I had on my PC that actually turned on my webcam once and logged my keystrokes, (ik ik, how convenient). Fortunately before that video was recorded, I had already sorted it out with the staff on the server and explained to them what happened, and I was not banned on the server. :)

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Posted on 07 September 2015 - 10:20 AM

calling out 45i and obrave in a single post. pretty edgy

seriously though, gapple, mcsg, and build are (and have always been) infested with people using clients

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Posted on 07 September 2015 - 01:12 PM

In ladders with short fights such as buildUHC hackers can grab ELO fast. One guy called 'wreckeq' reached 1900 solely by ffing. Im not hackusating cause I lost, he was hittin me from behind, I sped him the next 5 matches and tried to record but obs crashed. He was still hacking.

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Posted on 07 September 2015 - 01:42 PM

Don't wanna tag staff to a thread that isn't a report or something, but seriously the staff should do something about this. It would only be logical to spectate the guys at the top every now and then.

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Posted on 07 September 2015 - 02:42 PM

@Avalar you currently have the highest gapple ELO of all time, overtaking oBrave as the Gapple GOAT. If you were to lose one match to a hacker it would take ages to earn ELO back. Taking into consideration how LONG gapple matches are staff are usually able to TP before you are killed, but imagine how hard it is for people that play ladders such as MCSG or BuildUHC. However in these ladders YOU CAN KILL HACKERS. Bows do damage in mcsg, so do fns' and in BuildUHC if you are skilled with a bow you can kill the cheater without melee, so each ladder has its advantage to avoid being drained by hackers

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Posted on 07 September 2015 - 02:55 PM

Yeah, that was one of the reasons I liked GApple so much. Least amount of things to worry about, most skill based ladder (imo), and it's possible to still kill other players that are ghosting as long as they aren't as good as you in the actual gamemode. I recently moved on to NoDebuff, assuming that it would be even easier than GApple to get in the top ten, but I was wrong. If your opponent hacks in NoDebuff, you lose.

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