Posted on 12 November 2015 - 06:16 PM
PersonKool wrote
Sad as fuck, ditching friends who you may have spoken to for a long time for a rank on a game. It's pathetic that they even put you in that position where you have to pick between your friends or a rank
Posted on 12 November 2015 - 06:38 PM
M9DopplerFN wrote
PersonKool wrote...
Sad as fuck, ditching friends who you may have spoken to for a long time for a rank on a game. It's pathetic that they even put you in that position where you have to pick between your friends or a rank
Looking at it that way, you are right
As long as its not public, i dont see an issue
Posted on 12 November 2015 - 06:38 PM
M9DopplerFN wrote
PersonKool wrote...
Sad as fuck, ditching friends who you may have spoken to for a long time for a rank on a game. It's pathetic that they even put you in that position where you have to pick between your friends or a rank
+1
Posted on 12 November 2015 - 06:53 PM
PersonKool wrote
M9DopplerFN wrote...
Looking at it that way, you are right
As long as its not public, i dont see an issue
+1
Btw, normal players can speak with banned players, but this discussion is about a staff member associating with banned players. Big difference.
Posted on 12 November 2015 - 07:23 PM
"Friends>Minecraft"Posted on 12 November 2015 - 07:41 PM
You see, the difference is that staff members should be staying away from ip banned players, if you want to continue talking to them, either leave or be demoted, you haven't broken the rule to the point of being banned, but you were associating with them, even if it was off badlion.For another example, let's say that a normal player hacked on another server and got banned, then can still play here ( so long as they don't hack) but as a staff member, if you are to be banned on a different server while being staff on badlion, there is a huge chance that you'll be demoted, because you hold a part of the servers reputation where ever you go in the mc community, you are known for being badlion staff and it makes badlion look bad if you are being banned on other servers for cheating.
That's the way I see it anyway.
Posted on 12 November 2015 - 07:45 PM
So that means that being staff means that you have to ditch all of your friends just so you can have a rank on a server. Pathetic honestly. It's an iffy rule considering you can't communicate with long-lost friends. The issue is, no one knew about Meg talking to the IP banned player, yet when she got demoted, EVERYONE now knows of it. The rule does more bad then good honestly.Posted on 12 November 2015 - 08:21 PM
Silverdonuts wrote
Lmfao, you don't have to "ditch" very many friends at all, in fact you make 30x more and better friendships from being staff, you make it sound like everyone is only friends with ip banned players, why make it sound alot worse than it is?
I don't see why you'd want to be friends with people who will get you in trouble, both Irl and in game Eg:
Your friend steals shit, as soon as you know and don't report it, you become an accessory to the crime.
pretty much the same concept, this server is run like the business it is, if people aren't helping the business grow, why keep them around, they become liabilites, it's not worth it, sometimes it's not fair, but honey life ain't fucking fair
Posted on 12 November 2015 - 08:23 PM
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Nosrednaman wrote
Silverdonuts wrote...
Lmfao, you don't have to "ditch" very many friends at all, in fact you make 30x more and better friendships from being staff, you make it sound like everyone is only friends with ip banned players, why make it sound alot worse than it is?
I don't see why you'd want to be friends with people who will get you in trouble, both Irl and in game Eg:
Your friend steals shit, as soon as you know and don't report it, you become an accessory to the crime.
pretty much the same concept, this server is run like the business it is, if people aren't helping the business grow, why keep them around, they become liabilites, it's not worth it, sometimes it's not fair, but honey life ain't fucking fair
tbh can't argue with his logic…our points have been invalidated
Posted on 12 November 2015 - 09:56 PM
M9DopplerFN wrote
PersonKool wrote...
Sad as fuck, ditching friends who you may have spoken to for a long time for a rank on a game. It's pathetic that they even put you in that position where you have to pick between your friends or a rank
+1
All the new rules about IP banned players and even the new blacklisted server rules are just plain dumb
Posted on 12 November 2015 - 10:15 PM
Honestly I thought the bigger issue with staff being "associated" with ip banned players was not the server's reputation, but the risk that comes along with a hacker who has been banned many times getting a kind of "loophole" into the server. Think about it, if you are friends with someone who has been banned it could (I'm not saying it definitely would) affect what you do if you have influence on the staff team. You could accept appeals that shouldn't be accepted, you could see them alting in-game and not do anything, hell, you could see them hacking in-game and not do anything. Just because of bias. Again I'm not saying you would do that, but the staff team is pretty big, and theres no way of knowing what some staff members would do if presented with choice to either keep on good terms with their friend or protect the server. So its better to just remove the choice altogether, right?Just my onion.
Posted on 12 November 2015 - 10:18 PM
Even though I'm aware of this, thanks for the informations, Meg. This could be very helpful.Posted on 13 November 2015 - 04:25 AM
Nosrednaman wrote
Silverdonuts wrote...
Lmfao, you don't have to "ditch" very many friends at all, in fact you make 30x more and better friendships from being staff, you make it sound like everyone is only friends with ip banned players, why make it sound alot worse than it is?
I don't see why you'd want to be friends with people who will get you in trouble, both Irl and in game Eg:
Your friend steals shit, as soon as you know and don't report it, you become an accessory to the crime.
pretty much the same concept, this server is run like the business it is, if people aren't helping the business grow, why keep them around, they become liabilites, it's not worth it, sometimes it's not fair, but honey life ain't fucking fair
Your example isn't really applicable here. When somebody steals Shit, they are breaking the law and you (by not reporting them) are helping them do so. These players have already been punished, and she did not aid them harm the server any further. Her actions actually had nothing to do with the badlion environment at all. Your statement that you shouldn't want to be friends with them in the first place is just complete censorship. You should be free to chose your friends, and this is applicable irl as well. What you're saying is you shouldn't be friends with someone who stole something once in their life and was already punished for it. You're not an accomplice if you did not know about their activities or aid them (she has no clue if they're still harming badlion)
You say you don't have to 'ditch' friends yet you yourself said you have to stop being in contact with these people in order to be staff. The fact that (according to you, this is highly subjective) you make better friends in the staff team doesn't justify leaving your old friends. And I don't see how your new friends would actually be considered friends if they expect you to sacrifice others for them. If you want an actual example, it would be as if somebody wouldn't be able to host on reddit if their friend is on the ubl (ubl bans are IP bans). That is ridiculous.
Posted on 13 November 2015 - 04:46 AM
In my opinion, (don't IP ban me) this rule harms Badlion's image more than letting staff speak to a IP banned player. It's like cencorship.Posted on 13 November 2015 - 05:45 AM
Examples include, but not limited to: Publicly advertising or promoting in benefit of the banned player, assisting banned player in harming Badlion or its community in any way, etc. The final decision/enforcement of this rule is left at only the Owners' decision.As it says not limited which means there are more types of breaking this rule.And you as a staff member should follow the rules strictly and you didn't done that as penguin said there is a big diffrence if staff talk to ip banned players then normal players.I understand what you mean but if the owners don't allow it what can you do.
Posted on 13 November 2015 - 06:22 AM
DomyGames wrote
One of the points of this discussion is that part of the rule. It doesn't state limits so it could effectively be used as wished.
Posted on 13 November 2015 - 06:25 AM
xMqn_ wrote
DomyGames wrote...
One of the points of this discussion is that part of the rule. It doesn't state limits so it could effectively be used as wished.
You should know that normal players can speak to them but not talk about them on the server and whitlist them or so on.He got demoted becose he is a staff and we are speaking about this rule effecting staff here not normal players.
Posted on 13 November 2015 - 06:39 AM
Nosrednaman wrote
Silverdonuts wrote...
Lmfao, you don't have to "ditch" very many friends at all, in fact you make 30x more and better friendships from being staff, you make it sound like everyone is only friends with ip banned players, why make it sound alot worse than it is?
I don't see why you'd want to be friends with people who will get you in trouble, both Irl and in game Eg:
Your friend steals shit, as soon as you know and don't report it, you become an accessory to the crime.
pretty much the same concept, this server is run like the business it is, if people aren't helping the business grow, why keep them around, they become liabilites, it's not worth it, sometimes it's not fair, but honey life ain't fucking fair
'Your friend steals shit, as soon as you know and don't report it, you become an accessory to the crime.' I would like to highlight that quote mostly, I didn't let them harm the server in anyway and our friendships had nothing to do with Badlion. I would also like to state when i knew they were playing it's not like i didn't not report it? I told seniors plenty of times to check IP's and i mentioned who was evading.
Posted on 13 November 2015 - 07:36 AM
Nosrednaman wrote
Silverdonuts wrote...
Lmfao, you don't have to "ditch" very many friends at all, in fact you make 30x more and better friendships from being staff, you make it sound like everyone is only friends with ip banned players, why make it sound alot worse than it is?
I don't see why you'd want to be friends with people who will get you in trouble, both Irl and in game Eg:
Your friend steals shit, as soon as you know and don't report it, you become an accessory to the crime.
pretty much the same concept, this server is run like the business it is, if people aren't helping the business grow, why keep them around, they become liabilites, it's not worth it, sometimes it's not fair, but honey life ain't fucking fair
I agree. Before i was staff i had false friends there for my extra diamonds, whitelists and host perks. But on the staff team i made a ton of friends who i realized were actually real and didnt abandon me when I got demoted.