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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 12:33 AM

ginie1 wrote

Meh, not agaisnt the rule right now. If ppl care so much about getting high elo that they need to be boosted, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't make them good players. Like most of the people up there are kinda ''shitty''.

If the elo ladders are supposed to have any sort of competitive integrity, then there should be restrictions on easy ways to get high elos. Your argument applies in favor of elo manipulation as well, but we've banned that. Why? What's changed here?
@Morsinius i changed my mind back
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 01:25 AM

The problem with this is simply that everything we handle for our punishments are purely based on accounts involved. We make exceptions to ban IP ban evaders, but that's it. Account sharing should be no different. It's impossible to get a hold of everyone who's sharing accounts and it's going to become a big witchhunt-like thing, just as it used to be with our old ban evasion system. It's a mess that no one in administration wants to deal with.

And it doesn't even matter– you all know who up there's shared accounts and who hasn't. Judge them however you want, but nothing needs to be physically done about it. I don't think player2 up at #1 is really any good at those ladders, since they had their account played on by player6 and player9. If they care enough to want to have their account "boosted," so be it. I won't regard them as a better player all of a sudden.
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 01:54 AM

morsinius wrote

I won't regard them as a better player all of a sudden.


Doesn't matter, they don't care about you. They care about the thousand other people giving them attention.
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 01:56 AM

The forum community != in-game community
If the people who look up to people on the leaderboards begin to think of it as a problem, it's a different situation
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 02:29 AM

xLucqs wrote

appletine used to be like 1900 in build and he even said hes bad at it , now all of a sudden he's 2.3k?
Its Danteh playing on his accaunt
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 02:36 AM

Jqce wrote

"How can someone be so good at everything? The answer is you cant"

This has to be one of the absolute dumbest quotes of the year

You make a good point and a stupid one


@OnRestriction

You think you are smart right? Come back when you acctualy know something about how we humans work. If you focus multiple things instead of 1 you will always be worse at that 1 thing comparing to how good you would be if you focused 1 ladder. its human nature. + Everyone has flaws and ladders he isnt good at.

Scrap you whole "absolute dumbest quotes of year" thing and try to think next time before you post something
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 02:38 AM

morsinius wrote

The problem with this is simply that everything we handle for our punishments are purely based on accounts involved. We make exceptions to ban IP ban evaders, but that's it. Account sharing should be no different. It's impossible to get a hold of everyone who's sharing accounts and it's going to become a big witchhunt-like thing, just as it used to be with our old ban evasion system. It's a mess that no one in administration wants to deal with.


@Morsinius
As i suggested i think sharing an accaunt should be allowed but if have that only the top 20 global needs to be punished. This would create alot of work and still gets rid of the problem
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 02:41 AM

Hivlik wrote

ginie1 wrote...


If the elo ladders are supposed to have any sort of competitive integrity, then there should be restrictions on easy ways to get high elos. Your argument applies in favor of elo manipulation as well, but we've banned that. Why? What's changed here?
@Morsinius i changed my mind back


+1
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 07:43 AM

SmellyPenguin wrote

morsinius wrote...



Doesn't matter, they don't care about you. They care about the thousand other people giving them attention.
Eh I don't really care for that actually. If I did, I would be going for #1 uhc, #1 Iron, #1 archer, & #1 Horse right now like I did all last season (Contagion_Chris) but I'm not. Hey you know what, I'll do next season all by myself and we'll see how far I get. But not I'm not seeking attention, as you can tell in many of my posts I have publicly said that some people boosted me on my acc. If I really wanted all the attention, I would just try hard to keep it secretive.
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 08:29 AM

Doe wrote

SmellyPenguin wrote...

Eh I don't really care for that actually. If I did, I would be going for #1 uhc, #1 Iron, #1 archer, & #1 Horse right now like I did all last season (Contagion_Chris) but I'm not. Hey you know what, I'll do next season all by myself and we'll see how far I get. But not I'm not seeking attention, as you can tell in many of my posts I have publicly said that some people boosted me on my acc. If I really wanted all the attention, I would just try hard to keep it secretive.


@SmellyPenguin
@Morsinius

They dont even do it for attention they just want #1.
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 08:49 AM

JRN_ wrote

Doe wrote...



@SmellyPenguin
@Morsinius

They dont even do it for attention they just want #1.
It's not a they, I'm not talking for other people I'm talking for myself
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 10:26 AM

Schellmr wrote

Shouldn't be bannable unless ip banned players use the account to evade imo. Elo is a rep of skill, and regardless of what account you were on when you got it, you had to have had skill in order to get it.


Schellmr wrote

Sorry to bump this but I kinda wanted to respond.

It's not exactly unfair in my opinion. If you can't beat the person you're up against, you don't deserve to win. It really doesn't matter what their name is or their elo, but rather if they are skilled enough to beat whomever they are up against.


This was me - If you cant beat somebody because they're better than you, you don't make a thread requesting for a ban. And tag like half of the admins. That's just asking to be slapped.
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 10:50 AM

Think of it as an account, and not a person behind the account. That's what I do for most things.
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 03:41 PM

morsinius wrote

The forum community != in-game community
If the people who look up to people on the leaderboards begin to think of it as a problem, it's a different situation
the in game community doesn't know it's a problem because they don't read about all these people getting accused of account sharing on the forums. That's what makes it so bad
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 03:55 PM

I understand people asking a friend to get their ELO on one ladder up like 100, but now its like ten fucking people on one account getting stupidly high global ELO, they didn't EARN that ELO, they had someone else get it for them. Its basically boosting.
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 05:03 PM

you can't really do this anyways because there are always people with dynamic IPs
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 05:54 PM

Hivlik wrote

the in game community doesn't know it's a problem because they don't read about all these people getting accused of account sharing on the forums. That's what makes it so bad

They haven't established it as a problem. You can assume what you like, but until the thousand other people giving them attention decide to bring it up as an issue, there's no reason to ban account sharing
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 05:55 PM

JRN_ wrote

They dont even do it for attention they just want #1.

So where's the problem?
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 06:17 PM

RunningMiles wrote

honestly, I don't care if they do that. i don't think that ELO shows true skill. I'm 2k in build, which is okay, but I still think that I'm really bad at it. there's also so many factors such as your internet going out, your mouse broke and you're using a cheap one, etc. so, I really don't care at all if people share accounts. if they honestly think that they're really good because so many people help them get a better rating, then who cares. people take the leaderboards so seriously, just enjoy the game and server!


I just play unranked ;P
I think you're right. It's not about just getting high ranked, it's about enjoying yourself when you have the time to play. I'm telling you now, when your older, you won't be able to come on. So make the most of it now.
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Posted on 25 November 2015 - 07:01 PM

morsinius wrote

Hivlik wrote...


They haven't established it as a problem. You can assume what you like, but until the thousand other people giving them attention decide to bring it up as an issue, there's no reason to ban account sharing

New hypothetical server, named swagcraft.

Hackers run rampant on the server, but only those on the swagcraft forums have voiced their opinions, not the in game community. The upper staff figures, "oh well, forum community =/= ig community, and ig community hasn't complained about it!"

There's no viable forum for an in game community to validate their concerns on a problem besides the badlion forum itself, but as soon as they come to make a forum post about it, you cut them out of the ig community and clump them with the forum community. The forum community is still part of the in game community. They still represent the concerns of the in game community, and if there's such a large majority pushing for a ban on shared accounts in the forum community, that still accurately represents the in game community. The only case where that doesn't apply is if the issue is strictly forum stuff, where the forum community's opinion would logically differ from that of the in game community.
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