Posted on 29 November 2015 - 02:20 PM
Badware wrote
Hivlik wrote...
@Hivlik
Anybody and everybody can do it, and just because it's easier to do on one mouse doesn't mean that you should ban it. (jitter clicking is easier on a lot of mice too.) Furthermore, it's something that's built into every mouse. It doesn't really give you an unfair advantage, because not everybody can do it. It took me months to get to 15 cps, and months more to get to 20. Butterfly clicking isn't something that you can magically start doing and get 20 cps with. (in short, you have to practice in order to get the 'double click' effect.)
MasterGberry wrote...
This thread is sort of a discussion about the rule against butterfly clicking.
ItsTene wrote...
@ItsTene
According to prplz, the creator of antiskid, (which along with GCheat false banned me) unbanned me after I explained my situation to him. He said that the check that banned me was a double click macro check, and im 99.9% sure it's the same check as on GCheat. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I just feel like instead of banning something that is really legit and is looked upon as legit in the community (look at: Cellsaver, TewChaynz, Saucey. All well known youtubers with 6k + subs), rather change GCheat to stop false banning. Don't get me wrong, I love GCheat, but when you have an issue, I don't think it's right to just ban whatever is the issue rather than fixing the underlying problem.
Here is my video explaining how I got banned with proof.
With any luck, you guys will see that banning butterfly clicking just because you don't want to change the checks is wrong, and maybe fix it.
@Badware with any constructive criticism please :)
Deleted because NDAs (even if I haven't signed them there are things that aren't in the public domain)
Posted on 29 November 2015 - 03:14 PM
ItsTene wrote
Now im wondering what u said fml tene
Posted on 29 November 2015 - 04:33 PM
Badware wrote
Hivlik wrote...
Never tried, but seriously doubt it - but why use a trackpad when you can buy a mouse for like 3$? Unless you're doing it for fun, like that one guy on a mac lul
You can't do it on a clickable trackpad
gg
Posted on 29 November 2015 - 04:52 PM
With butterfly clicking everytime you click (if done correctly) it registers as 2 clicks making it identical to a double click macroPosted on 29 November 2015 - 04:52 PM
With butterfly clicking everytime you click (if done correctly) it registers as 2 clicks making it identical to a double click macroPosted on 29 November 2015 - 04:57 PM
Hivlik wrote
You can't do it on a clickable trackpad
gg
shit gg folks im outie
Posted on 29 November 2015 - 05:10 PM
Automatically DeletedPosted on 29 November 2015 - 05:45 PM
Potaytooo wrote
I can do both of these on mine pretty easily
Posted on 29 November 2015 - 09:29 PM
Potaytooo wrote
Hivlik wrote...
and you can't blockhit or jitterclick on one either
Posted on 29 November 2015 - 10:17 PM
r u srsly arguing that butterfly clicking should be bannable because u cant do it on a trackpad?in case you were serious…
1. think how many people use trackpads to pvp. not like once or twice or to joke around, like uses a trackpad by choice and consistently.
spacea. not only are those who do this not allowing themselves to butterfly click, they are hurting their aim, click speed, etc.
2. this is the same logic that says gaming mice should be banned because they provide better tracking or are easier to click.
3. u most be jokering lol i cant even counter dis logic
Posted on 29 November 2015 - 10:43 PM
Badware wrote
in case you were serious…
1. think how many people use trackpads to pvp. not like once or twice or to joke around, like uses a trackpad by choice and consistently.
a. not only are those who do this not allowing themselves to butterfly click, they are hurting their aim, click speed, etc.
2. this is the same logic that says gaming mice should be banned because they provide better tracking or are easier to click.
3. u most be jokering lol i cant even counter dis logic
Nah, I wasn't, but I still don't think illegitimate clicks should be allowed even if it's possible to do it on a number of mice. Even if it's not advantageous necessarily over other users, it unbalances the inherent balance provided by the game mechanics vs. natural click speeds.
Posted on 29 November 2015 - 10:50 PM
Hivlik wrote
oky doky fair opinion :)
Posted on 30 November 2015 - 03:36 PM
# is there any chance that in the forseeable future GCheat will be modified to allow butterfly clicking?Posted on 30 November 2015 - 06:57 PM
Unsighted wrote
Why would we bother allowing it?
You can only attack a target in MC 4 times a second anyways lol. Clicking anything over 8 times a second is pretty much pointless
Posted on 30 November 2015 - 07:29 PM
MasterGberry wrote
Unsighted wrote...
Why would we bother allowing it?
You can only attack a target in MC 4 times a second anyways lol. Clicking anything over 8 times a second is pretty much pointless
But then people won't feel like the top of the world if they can click 14 cps…
Posted on 30 November 2015 - 09:11 PM
MasterGberry wrote
Unsighted wrote...
Why would we bother allowing it?
You can only attack a target in MC 4 times a second anyways lol. Clicking anything over 8 times a second is pretty much pointless
Clicking faster let's your sprint break more and then you get misplaced and get combos.
Posted on 30 November 2015 - 10:25 PM
MasterGberry wrote
You can only attack a target in MC 4 times a second anyways lol. Clicking anything over 8 times a second is pretty much pointless
this be discussion about a rule :D
I'll answer your question with another question: Why would you punish those who can click legit by lumping them with autoclickers (macros)?
Sure it leaves room for autoclickers and macro users, but there will be other ways to catch them. Hell, you were able to detect smooth aimbot- surly synapse macros and autoclickers aren't beyond you. yes i know it takes a lot of work, and that truly sucks, but banning legit players because you don't want to revise a check is plain egregious.
About anything above 8 cps being unnecessary - I butterfly click at about 10-12 CPS normally. If I'm trying for CPS, I can get about ~21 - but does it matter? I get banned for butterfly clicking no matter the cps (I think I was only clicking about 15 at the time of my ban).
As for MC only registering 4 aps, while that is true, that doesn't mean clicking above ~8 cps is unnecessary. The idea behind clicking faster is that when your cursor is over the player, you are guaranteed a hit. (keep in mind, most legit players can't aim perfectly. There will be many times where the crosshair is off the player)
If you only click 4 cps, you are almost guaranteed - unless you have 100% perfect aim - to miss hits.
I made these to help get my point across.
and
The second model is supposed to depict a realistic person aiming. If you were to only click 4 cps (or even 8), some of those clicks may be outside of the hitbox.
Furthermore, Tene is right about misplacement and sprint resets. I'll assume you know what they are :) if you don't Tene has a video on them.
Posted on 30 November 2015 - 10:27 PM
-snip- double postPosted on 30 November 2015 - 10:44 PM
I'm starting to lean more towards allowing it tbh.Posted on 06 December 2015 - 10:32 AM
Well, I also wanted to add that I tried butterfly clicking on about 5 school mice, each one gave a minimum of 13 CPS, so as far as I know, most/all mice have this bug-Unsighted's alt (Yes, I am banned on my main for butterfly clicking)