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Gcheat and Badlion
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 12:19 PM
SkellyBot wrote
SonicHD13 wrote...
There are also many appeals that get accepted and they agree they made a mistake. Such as verilliums and many more if I take time to look through appeals
Link me to 25 then.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 12:20 PM
Butterflyclicking is bad. Someother non-staff back me up here.Posted on 31 December 2015 - 12:22 PM
Archybot wrote
Looks at your punishment history.
I have no idea why someone like you would want to know more about GCheat
I have no idea why someone like you would want to know more about GCheat
Ayyylamayo
Staff disrespect, gcheat ban, seems legit @Aymbaut meme pls
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 12:41 PM
SonicHD13 wrote
Nicosby wrote...
Sorry to kind of break your argument here. You are trying to argue that butterfly clicking makes the game less fun! It makes the came so much more enjoyable and let's me PvP for hours! My arm dosesn't hurt after doing it like it would if I jitter clicked. Butterfly clicking is the futute, sorry.
If your arm hurts too much while jitterclicking, don't do it. You don't need to get high cps to pvp and win a fight. I personally don't jitterclick, I'm stable at 7-8 (I can get to 10 sometimes) cps and my aim is good. You're acting like the only thing you need is to get quite high cps, and that's kinda stupid. You do not need these stupid and cheap tricks to pvp properly. Just practice more and you'll see your cps will get slightly higer after a while without the need to either jitter or butterfly click.
Also, you know what I meant when I said "do you even try to have fun", stop pretending you didn'y get it. I never said butterfly clicking=less fun. I just said we should play the game as it is without abusing any glitch and stuff like this.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 01:05 PM
SonicHD13 wrote
Saimo wrote...
Yes, I did know that. Kohi players will come to Badlion and get banned almost instantly, and they are phenominal Pvp'ers. Please explain this, other then the classic answer "Denied, you were cheating". (Refrencing the appeals)
Being good at pvp has nothing to do with getting false banned by GCheat. How do you think Badlion still has so many good PvPers? Most of the good PvPers from Kohi that get banned here did it just to shit on Badlion and give it a bad rep (like Stimpay).
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 02:34 PM
http://preview.images.memegenerator.net/Instance/Preview?imageID=6365265&generatorTypeID=&panels=&text0=if%20gcheat%20detected%20you,%20you%20were%20hac-&text1=GCHEAT%20IS%20BULLSHIT&text2=&text3=Posted on 31 December 2015 - 04:58 PM
FunkyFactions wrote
SonicHD13 wrote...
Being good at pvp has nothing to do with getting false banned by GCheat. How do you think Badlion still has so many good PvPers? Most of the good PvPers from Kohi that get banned here did it just to shit on Badlion and give it a bad rep (like Stimpay).
The Badlion players are not as good as Kohi players. I don't want to start a war and I would like to keep this about butterfly clicking.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 05:19 PM
Badware wrote
Basically, the logic that Badlion has is that you shouldn't allow butterfly clicking because you can get two clicks from one action
For the record I didn't read your post, I just happened to see that sentence. The problem I and that a lot of staff have is that you're using two fingers to click instead of just one.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 05:30 PM
Badware wrote
HalfCreeper wrote...
Lol that's my video. I made it a long time ago, long before I actually knew how butterfly clicking worked. That was so I could get unbanned from Kohi (since I got false banned there as well), and Kohi actually did unban me for it. EG: It's inaccurate, and I don't appreciate you using it like that. (and now it's private so you can't!1!!!!11!!!)
RealSportsFan wrote...
"General rule discussion is still allowed as long as it's not centered on a single case of a punished person." + This rule was put into place after I got banned for butterfly clicking. That should say enough about the rule.
Nicosby wrote...
Keep in mind that mice don't create hit packets, that is completely up to the minecraft client. The "one finger, one click, one input, one output" rule was put into place BECAUSE of the false bans that butterfly clicking causes. What is happening when you butterfly click is VERY different.
Here is a diagram (paint skillz)
Basically, the logic that Badlion has is that you shouldn't allow butterfly clicking because you can get two clicks from one action, and I fully disagree simply because you have to adjust your clicking style, learn to aim all over again, and actually have to physically press the mouse - physically DO the action that causes the clicking to occur.
To dismiss this as a 'bug' is to do the same as say that jitterclicking on the razer deathadder is bannable because the lmb requires less force to depress than other mice.
[EDIT] Funny thing, 90% of the people saying butterfly clicking is bad are staff. Weird, isn't it?
Nice, a solid counterargument. I agree, if GCheat's checks can't differentiate between a legitimate action and an illegitimate action, then those checks shouldn't be used.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 05:44 PM
Ny_ wrote
Badware wrote...
Nice, a solid counterargument. I agree, if GCheat's checks can't differentiate between a legitimate action and an illegitimate action, then those checks shouldn't be used.
Then we'd have to allow a huge range of illegal macros
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 05:51 PM
Seems like a kind of silly argument.It's clear that you can't allow butterfly clicking without allowing certain types of cheating, so it should be obvious that it should stay illegal, regardless of other factors.
As for GCheat, Danteh, KarliXon, appletine, and many other great players play without ever triggering it. The kohi players are purposefully triggering it because they know they have fanboys and know they have a rep for being legit. It's an attempt to discredit GCheat, and threads like these make me believe they've succeeded.
Either that or some of them are closet cheaters.
Last edited on 31 December 2015 - 05:58 PM by serendipidU
SonicHD13 wrote
Also, the autoclick check needs to be changed so butterfly clicking is allowed. Butterfly clicking is something that you can do on EVERY SINGLE MOUSE. It isn't a glitch, and it isn't a hack. It is a technique to get two clicks out of one without manipulating any hardware or software. We should be allowed to Butterfly Click.
Have you personally tested every single mouse to insure it works on them all? I doubt it. You've got no proof.
Personally, I'd like butterfly clicking to be allowed, but not for that reason. If it would be used to bypass gcheat (randomize a double-click macro and you've got yourself something a lot like butterfly clicking), I'd just as much rather it continue to be illegal.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 06:03 PM
Staff should say more instead of Denied, you were cheating imoLast edited on 31 December 2015 - 06:52 PM by Nicosby
SporkHandles wrote
Staff should say more instead of Denied, you were cheating imo
Senior Mods check GCheat logs before denying an appeal. And mods in general are not allowed to post GCheat logs anymore. This way client makers can't tell what triggered gcheat, and therefore it is way harder for them to improve their clients.
Last edited on 31 December 2015 - 07:09 PM by Badware
Nicosby wrote
What Hivlik said is really clear and I suggest you read that again. And honestly, why would people need to get this kind of cheap advantage anyways? I mean, play the game as it is and stop trying to find new and stupid tricks to make pvp simpler. And stop with the "xdxd im cool look at me this is a competitive game pls aloud it plz" or "u actualy need skillz to do it properly xdxd" or "ever1 can do it xdxd" etc arguments. It is obviously a stupid, cheap advantage we do not need. People can get fucking 20+ cps with it, how would it be okay? Seriously?! Do you even try to have fun or are you all about elo, strafes, combos and rodrodrod? I understand Badlion is a competitive-pvp server, I understand competitiveness will bring up new ways to pvp, but I will never understand why you think all you actually need to pvp is this stupidly high CPS. Why can't you just use your own actual skills, instead of trying to bring up stupid points for such a ridiculous trick. Why? It isn't allowed, people do it and get banned and then they complain! It is not our fault if some people are a bit too stupid to not fully understand the rules. It is not allowed. Period.
When you are Butterfly clicking, the "second" click actually creates two click packets. Which means you are possibly getting an extra hit.
So fun. No it isn't weird at all. People with just a little bit of common sense and who are actually willing to think about this for more tham just 1 min, think it shouldn't be allowed. Also, as staff members, we are obviously against these stupid,cheap and unfair kind of tricks.
Deal with it. You all won't get 20+ cps on Badlion. I'm 99% sure you can deal with it, or at least I hope so.
Oh, please don't try to bring up the When-butterfly-clicking-I-can't-get-past-12cps argument. That'd be kinda immature. Maybe you can't,but many others can. Keep this in mind.
When you are Butterfly clicking, the "second" click actually creates two click packets. Which means you are possibly getting an extra hit.
Badware wrote...
So fun. No it isn't weird at all. People with just a little bit of common sense and who are actually willing to think about this for more tham just 1 min, think it shouldn't be allowed. Also, as staff members, we are obviously against these stupid,cheap and unfair kind of tricks.
Deal with it. You all won't get 20+ cps on Badlion. I'm 99% sure you can deal with it, or at least I hope so.
Oh, please don't try to bring up the When-butterfly-clicking-I-can't-get-past-12cps argument. That'd be kinda immature. Maybe you can't,but many others can. Keep this in mind.
On vacation and mobile, so can't write a real response. On a side note, arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall - I already answered all of your points in previous posts + your opinions delude your logic.
Nicosby wrote
When you are Butterfly clicking, the "second" click actually creates two click packets. Which means you are possibly getting an extra hit.
You have no idea what you're saying, do you?
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 07:54 PM
Badware wrote
Nicosby wrote...
On vacation and mobile, so can't write a real response. On a side note, arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall - I already answered all of your points in previous posts + your opinions delude your logic.
Nicosby wrote...
You have no idea what you're saying, do you?
A brick wall? Seriously? I just brought up an opinion on PvP. I love discussions and I love to hear everyone's opinion. I never try to tell people what to think or not. The problem is, I see PvP in a certain way, and really 10% of you can fully agree with me due to the fact that the "new" PvP community has way different ideas and opinions on PvP itself. I've been pvping for three years, I've seen it growing and getting popular, I saw how all those tricks and glitch-abuses were born. The community has changed a lot and I've never liked its new idea of pvp and the new tricks they tried to "introduce".
Sorry if I'm not 100% clear, my english isn't perfect and I don't really feel like putting that much effort in this (it's 1:38am). I know my opinions are not that popular and I know probably noone agrees with me in this thread, that's why I may look like a dick, or a brick wall. I'm really sorry if I gave you such a bad idea of me, I really never meant to.
We've already discussed on other threads, I know. I just don't agree with you, I just don't think something like Butterfly clicking should be allowed and I brought up my points.
Why do my opinions delude my logic? I see "Minecraft pvp" in a certain way, and this kind of tricks, such as butterfly clicking, are completely against my idea of "Minecraft pvp", and I tried to let you know what I think about it. That's it…
On a side note: I know I quoted you in those posts, but it wasn't meant just for you. It was meant for EVERYONE. I wasn't trying to "attack" you, I wasn't trying to be a dick, I wasn't trying to be rude to you and to everyone else reading my posts.
Again, sorry if I looked like "a brick wall"… really never meant to be "that kind" of guy.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 08:03 PM
Nicosby wrote
-snip-
Yeah, sorry for being a dick.
Last edited on 31 December 2015 - 08:09 PM by Nicosby
Badware wrote
Nicosby wrote...
Yeah, sorry for being a dick.
Wait why is there a -snip-? O.o
Also, you are not a dick. I know my words may easily be misunderstood.
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 08:14 PM
Nicosby wrote
Wait why is there a -snip-? O.o
Also, you are not a dick. I know my words may easily be misunderstood.
There's a snip because the previous post was very long, that's the only reason lol
Posted on 31 December 2015 - 08:28 PM
Badware wrote
There's a snip because the previous post was very long, that's the only reason lol
yeah I figured later on xD I'm a bit tired