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How do you be good as Danteh or Tylarzz in melee?

AlbertEinstein wrote

dicd wrote...



I'm not quite sure I follow your logic here.

You're saying that it's stupid to aspire to be better than you already are? In particular, you're saying that if I were to ask, "How do I do as well in school as A or B," it'd be unfounded since I'm not already as good as those individuals.

If that's the case, then why would anyone play a competitive game in the first place? If you suck in the first place (which almost any new player would), according to your logic, it's highly unlikely that you'd ever get better, especially since you cannot ask how the "good" players play.
Wow, and I thought the point I made was adequately categorical. This person has said to have tried every technique in the book, said he clicks fast, strafes and wtaps and still sucks at melee. Him asking on the forums how to improve is pointless as he already knows the techniques yet he simply cannot execute them due to being simply bad at the game. He's literally asking how to be good like Tylarzz and Danteh, arguably 2 of the best players, at least in the Build UHC ladder. This is just a stupid question to ask, and I demonstrated why it's so stupid through the use of an analogy. Imagine me going on a CS:GO website and asking a bunch of DMGs "How do I get super good at CS:GO to become a pro?? I want to be as good as ScreaM at aiming at the heads and as good as kennyS at reacting quickly and performing flick shots. How might I go about doing this??? I've tried to better my aim for years by going on practice maps, and I've practiced flick shots for ages, yet I'm still terrible! Do you guys know how perhaps I could get better?"

You may not see it as stupid but that's probably because you fall under the same category as the original poster. A wannabe. It doesn't matter how much the OP practices because he's clearly not cut out to be the best minecraft player there ever was. It doesn't matter how many times he practices, he's going to be shit, it's like a fat person asking how to beat Usain Bolt at the 100 metres. I'll quote you trying to rebut my argument with your little analogy.

AlbertEinstein wrote

You're saying that it's stupid to aspire to be better than you already are? In particular, you're saying that if I were to ask, "How do I do as well in school as A or B," it'd be unfounded since I'm not already as good as those individuals.

You clearly missed the point. Not being as good as Danteh and Tylarzz is not what invalidates his post, it's that he clearly doesn't have the potential to become as good as them. Like I said, a morbidly obese white person asking how to beat Usain Bolt in the 100m is an exaggeration of the OP's post. So, if I were to make some changes to your analogy in order for it to actually relate to my post, it would be more like "I have severe brain damage and lack capabilities in the areas of maths, science and english, how do I do as well in school as A or B?" This is of course assuming that a grade of A or B is not attainable by the student with brain damage, as cruel as that may sound.
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Haha. Quite the change in demeanor when you're challenged! It's all right; I'll play along.

You had quite a lot to say here, so I'll break it down point by point for you.

dicd wrote

Wow, and I thought the point I made was adequately categorical.


Nice introduction with a "big" word! At this point, I knew it was going to be a fun response, since no one talks like that in real life (inb4: ye dis shud not be big word 2 u hahA!! or only da smart ppl lyk me talk lyk dis so u aint vury smart hahA!!–but guess what! You didn't even use capital letters in your first post, so don't try that one! You're trying to sound smart! follow-up inb4: ya man i do not want to typ good in block game all da tym u looser! – My response: haha).

dicd wrote

This person has said to have tried every technique in the book, said he clicks fast, strafes and wtaps and still sucks at melee. Him asking on the forums how to improve is pointless as he already knows the techniques yet he simply cannot execute them due to being simply bad at the game. He's literally asking how to be good like Tylarzz and Danteh, arguably 2 of the best players, at least in the Build UHC ladder. This is just a stupid question to ask, and I demonstrated why it's so stupid through the use of an analogy. Imagine me going on a CS:GO website and asking a bunch of DMGs "How do I get super good at CS:GO to become a pro?? I want to be as good as ScreaM at aiming at the heads and as good as kennyS at reacting quickly and performing flick shots. How might I go about doing this??? I've tried to better my aim for years by going on practice maps, and I've practiced flick shots for ages, yet I'm still terrible! Do you guys know how perhaps I could get better?"


How did I have the inkling that you're a CS:GO player? I don't play it myself, but it seems that the crankiest of MC players are often CS:GO players as well.

I'm pretty sure the point in making this thread is to ask opinions from other people on how to get better. Apparently a good reference point for skill level is the two listed individuals, whom I personally have never heard of (I don't keep up with "famous" MC PVPers). This poor guy just wants to improve his in-game abilities, and your response is along the lines of "You're bad at the game, and you'll never be better." That's in no way constructive.

It must be really disheartening to try all those different techniques and STILL not come out on top. Hell, the guy's paid 75 dollars for the Lion rank, so if I were him, it better be worth my time.

You're going about this in a rather toxic manner. But hey, man, I get it. It's cool to come on here and say how bad others are at the game. They'll never be at your level, man. It's a sin to come on here and ask how to get better when dicd is here, since you'll never be as good as dicd.

Sarcasm aside, I truly think that your ego has gotten to the point where if someone else wants to get better and better than you, you have to tear them down and call them bad and make them feel bad about it. Moreover, I think you just like calling people bad.

And is he really that terrible if his Build UHC rank is higher than yours, O PVP wise man?

dicd wrote

You may not see it as stupid but that's probably because you fall under the same category as the original poster. A wannabe.


Ad hominem! This boy's getting really defensive now!

You can rest assured that I don't have any desire to be like you.

dicd wrote

It doesn't matter how much the OP practices because he's clearly not cut out to be the best minecraft player there ever was. It doesn't matter how many times he practices, he's going to be shit, it's like a fat person asking how to beat Usain Bolt at the 100 metres.


I don't see how you can make any remarks on his potential. The only people who say garbage like this are the bad guys in movies who are always proven wrong by an outstanding protagonist who beats all the odds.

"You'll never be good, kid. It doesn't matter how much you practice! It doesn't matter how much you try! You'll forever suck! Hahaha!"

The above quote is something people generally don't say, unless their intention is to be rude and discouraging.

It's amazing you have this mentality. Actually, no, it's not.

dicd wrote

I'll quote you trying to rebut my argument with your little analogy.


Oh, you sure got me by calling my analogy "little."

dicd wrote

You clearly missed the point. Not being as good as Danteh and Tylarzz is not what invalidates his post, it's that he clearly doesn't have the potential to become as good as them.


Yikes, again with the potential thing.

dicd wrote

Like I said, a morbidly obese white person asking how to beat Usain Bolt in the 100m is an exaggeration of the OP's post.


Yeah, that person can never lose weight! He'll never go on a diet and move towards a healthy lifestyle! And even if he did lose the weight, he certainly cannot run at that point!

dicd wrote

So, if I were to make some changes to your analogy in order for it to actually relate to my post, it would be more like "I have severe brain damage and lack capabilities in the areas of maths, science and english, how do I do as well in school as A or B?" This is of course assuming that a grade of A or B is not attainable by the student with brain damage, as cruel as that may sound.


At the end of the day, the OP just wants to get better, and he made a post asking how. You came here and said he sucks and forever will suck, and as a result, he's an idiot for having the audacity to come on here and ask the community how to improve.

I, unlike you, think that this is a fair post. He may not become as good as these players, but at least he has the ambition to become as good as them. And usually with ambition comes results, though maybe not as dramatic as he would have hoped. I think it's highly unfair and unfounded to say that he'll never improve, and that he'll forever suck.

You clearly have a PVP ego, and hey, that's fine. But coming on here and haranguing this guy for asking a simple question is pretty ridiculous, and it goes to show just how overly competitive and toxic you are.

I hear the word "sweaty" being thrown around a lot, and honestly, I've never actually used the word. But I would be very sincere in saying that this word appropriately describes you.
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Even tho, I just became a gold V I still want to say, play gapple and nodebuff to improve your aim.
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AlbertEinstein wrote

Haha. Quite the change in demeanor when you're challenged! It's all right; I'll play along.

You had quite a lot to say here, so I'll break it down point by point for you.

dicd wrote...



Nice introduction with a "big" word! At this point, I knew it was going to be a fun response, since no one talks like that in real life (inb4: ye dis shud not be big word 2 u hahA!! or only da smart ppl lyk me talk lyk dis so u aint vury smart hahA!!–but guess what! You didn't even use capital letters in your first post, so don't try that one! You're trying to sound smart! follow-up inb4: ya man i do not want to typ good in block game all da tym u looser! – My response: haha).

A proper response to the above would be the epitome of poor time management.

AlbertEinstein wrote

dicd wrote...



How did I have the inkling that you're a CS:GO player? I don't play it myself, but it seems that the crankiest of MC players are often CS:GO players as well.

I have a total of 4 hours spent on CS:GO. Gotta love false assumptions. :)

*Skips over the large part where you're saying I'm being toxic on a Minecraft Website* [Spoiler Alert: I don't give a fuck.]

AlbertEinstein wrote

dicd wrote...



Ad hominem! This boy's getting really defensive now!

You can rest assured that I don't have any desire to be like you.

Oh no, you spotted a logical fallacy. I guess you've won this entire argument now.

AlbertEinstein wrote

dicd wrote...



I don't see how you can make any remarks on his potential. The only people who say garbage like this are the bad guys in movies who are always proven wrong by an outstanding protagonist who beats all the odds.

"You'll never be good, kid. It doesn't matter how much you practice! It doesn't matter how much you try! You'll forever suck! Hahaha!"

The above quote is something people generally don't say, unless their intention is to be rude and discouraging.

It's amazing you have this mentality. Actually, no, it's not.

Oh how lovely, I'm being related to an antagonist in a movie. It's like Forrest Gump, how he has a physical disorder and ends up being extremely athletic! Oh how I love fiction! Who knows, maybe a kid who sucks this bad really will end up as the best Minecraft player ever! It does suck though how he probably has to move out of the house in 5 years, which certainly hinder his goal of becoming the number 1 Build UHC player, provided that the game hasn't completely died out by then in the first place.

dicd wrote

I'll quote you trying to rebut my argument with your little analogy.


AlbertEinstein wrote

Oh, you sure got me by calling my analogy "little."

Is that two minor logical fallacies you've found now? Gosh, I'm way behind on this one!

AlbertEinstein wrote

dicd wrote...



Yikes, again with the potential thing.

ok

dicd wrote

Like I said, a morbidly obese white person asking how to beat Usain Bolt in the 100m is an exaggeration of the OP's post.


AlbertEinstein wrote

Yeah, that person can never lose weight! He'll never go on a diet and move towards a healthy lifestyle! And even if he did lose the weight, he certainly cannot run at that point!

It's amusing that you attempted to find a fallacy in my analogy, and it's even more amusing that you failed. Notice the word "white"? Ever cared to count the amount of white men in the 100m finale? Not to mention all 100m runners have trained since they were very little and had exemplary genetics for running. I guess you've failed here, white men have a much lower ratio of fast twitch muscle fibre than black people, namely those of African American descent.

AlbertEinstein wrote

dicd wrote...



At the end of the day, the OP just wants to get better, and he made a post asking how. You came here and said he sucks and forever will suck, and as a result, he's an idiot for having the audacity to come on here and ask the community how to improve.

I, unlike you, think that this is a fair post. He may not become as good as these players, but at least he has the ambition to become as good as them. And usually with ambition comes results, though maybe not as dramatic as he would have hoped. I think it's highly unfair and unfounded to say that he'll never improve, and that he'll forever suck.

You clearly having a PVP ego, and hey, that's fine. But coming on here and haranguing this guy for asking a simple question is pretty ridiculous, and it goes to show just how overly competitive and toxic you are.

I hear the word "sweaty" being thrown around a lot, and honestly, I've never actually used the word. But I would be very sincere in saying that this word appropriately describes you.
Well hey, it's not the OP's fault he sucks and always will suck at Minecraft. Maybe he should just quit and try to find a game he's good at! Not all of us are cut out for blocks :-(
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dicd wrote

Nonsense… failing argument… malfunctioning… zzz…. Well hey, it's not the OP's fault he sucks and always will suck at Minecraft. Maybe he should just quit and try to find a game he's good at! Not all of us are cut out for blocks :-(


I just watched as your argument slowly deteriorated.

1.) It would be SUCH a waste of your time if you were to respond "properly" to that first part, but hey, just respond to the rest, because that's all fine.

This is the first stage. You begin by saying that you aren't going to put the effort in, since it'd be such a waste of time.

2.)

dicd wrote

asking a bunch of DMGs "How do I get super good at CS:GO to become a pro?? I want to be as good as ScreaM at aiming at the heads and as good as kennyS at reacting quickly and performing flick shots. How might I go about doing this??? I've tried to better my aim for years by going on practice maps, and I've practiced flick shots for ages


Clearly the language of a newbie to CS:GO!

(I've played exactly 2.5 hours, and I couldn't tell you what the bolded words are. I guess that extra 1.5 hours makes the difference.)

Second stage: jump at the technicalities to make sure you aren't seen as a try hard who dedicates time to competitive games.

3.) You don't "give a fuck." I'm glad to see you give enough fucks to continue this.

Personal favorite stage: Talk about how much you don't care.

4.) Another great stage of a dying MC argument is when you have to resort to the "MC is dying" card. And before you jump on and say, "I said, if it does!" I know what you meant.

5.) "ok."

6.) "Uh, uh, you didn't see the 'white' part, idiot! White men are slower than black men. Haha! Your argument failed because you didn't acknowledge that white men can't run as fast as black men! Nanana! I'm totally being substantive right now and not pointing out little details desperately trying to redeem my shipwreck of an argument!"

HaHAAHAHaHaHaHaHaHaHaahhhaHHaHahhAHaHaHaHaHaHaHhahahaHaHA!


7.) At least you stuck to your guns and ended with the same attitude you had in your first post.

OK, next.
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AlbertEinstein wrote

dicd wrote...



I just watched as your argument slowly deteriorated.

1.) It would be SUCH a waste of your time if you were to respond "properly" to that first part, but hey, just respond to the rest, because that's all fine.

This is the first stage. You begin by saying that you aren't going to put the effort in, since it'd be such a waste of time.

2.)

dicd wrote...



Clearly the language of a newbie to CS:GO!

(I've played exactly 2.5 hours, and I couldn't tell you what the bolded words are. I guess that extra 1.5 hours makes the difference.)

Second stage: jump at the technicalities to make sure you aren't seen as a try hard who dedicates time to competitive games.

3.) You don't "give a fuck." I'm glad to see you give enough fucks to continue this.

Personal favorite stage: Talk about how much you don't care.

4.) Another great stage of a dying MC argument is when you have to resort to the "MC is dying" card. And before you jump on and say, "I said, if it does!" I know what you meant.

5.) "ok."

6.) "Uh, uh, you didn't see the 'white' part, idiot! White men are slower than black men. Haha! Your argument failed because you didn't acknowledge that white men can't run as fast as black men! Nanana! I'm totally being substantive right now and not pointing out little details desperately trying to redeem my shipwreck of an argument!"

HaHAAHAHaHaHaHaHaHaHaahhhaHHaHahhAHaHaHaHaHaHaHhahahaHaHA!


7.) At least you stuck to your guns and ended with the same attitude you had in your first post.

OK, next.
What are you even trying to argue anymore? Telling me how much I play cs:go and how much I say I don't care? I never even said MC was dying, I simply acknowledged the possibility that it could be dead in 5 years. I don't classify that as "pulling the MC is dying card". By the way, I was pretty much fucking with you at the end because your argument is completely based off of your own values. You're arguing that I'm a toxic little minecraft player telling someone he will never be the best, and you're completely correct. I told you that it was because his post was amusingly unrealistic. "I suck shit at this game, I've tried so many techniques and I'm still so bad at melee. Help me become as good as Tylarzz and Danteh. P.S. You will probably no help if you aren't diamond even though I'm only gold 3." You also tried to argue that I was a CS:GO player due to my somewhat decent knowledge of the game. DMG = CS:GO rank. ScreaM and kennyS are two of the most known and skilled CS:GO players. Boom, I guess knowledge of a rank and 2 well known players entails many hours spent grinding the game.

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AlbertEinstein wrote

You didn't even use capital letters in your first post, so don't try that one! You're trying to sound smart!
Damn, I didn't see this before. I'm trying to sound smart? Incorrect. I am smart. PM me if you want to hear a list of my school achievements bro! And yeah I'm a cocky little bastard who likes to act toxic on a minecraft website, who also has a very high "ego" associated with his minecraft skills. That about sums me up man!

P.S. I assume you're an aspiring architect????
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dicd wrote

AlbertEinstein wrote...

What are you even trying to argue anymore? Telling me how much I play cs:go and how much I say I don't care? I never even said MC was dying, I simply acknowledged the possibility that it could be dead in 5 years. I don't classify that as "pulling the MC is dying card". By the way, I was pretty much fucking with you at the end because your argument is completely based off of your own values. You're arguing that I'm a toxic little minecraft player telling someone he will never be the best, and you're completely correct. I told you that it was because his post was amusingly unrealistic. "I suck shit at this game, I've tried so many techniques and I'm still so bad at melee. Help me become as good as Tylarzz and Danteh. P.S. You will probably no help if you aren't diamond even though I'm only gold 3." You also tried to argue that I was a CS:GO player due to my somewhat decent knowledge of the game. DMG = CS:GO rank. ScreaM and kennyS are two of the most known and skilled CS:GO players. Boom, I guess knowledge of a rank and 2 well known players entails many hours spent grinding the game.

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AlbertEinstein wrote...

Damn, I didn't see this before. I'm trying to sound smart? Incorrect. I am smart. PM me if you want to hear a list of my school achievements bro! And yeah I'm a cocky little bastard who likes to act toxic on a minecraft website, who also has a very high "ego" associated with his minecraft skills. That about sums me up man!

P.S. I assume you're an aspiring architect????


I am satisfied with my progress here.

I got you to admit that you are exactly what I called you out to be. Furthermore, you were quite unabashed in admitting it.

You went from defending your argument of him being a bad player who will perpetually stuck to defending your intelligence, your CS:GO playtime, and giving in and saying how toxic and egocentric you are.

Thanks for the fun time! I enjoyed myself.

P.S. I will take you up on that PM suggestion. If you had done a little more research on me than just my name, you would have seen that my entire clan on this server is dedicated to real-life accomplishments.
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My thread turned into complete aids. No one has a legit answer.
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dicd wrote


AlbertEinstein wrote...

Damn, I didn't see this before. I'm trying to sound smart? Incorrect. I am smart. PM me if you want to hear a list of my school achievements bro!

LOL.It's kinda sad when you have to prove how smart you are by listing your "achievements" on a Minecraft forum. This is literally the same thing as if you tell someone they have no friends and they start listing friends. Hahahahahhaha
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You said "It's like a fat person trying to beat Usain bolt at the 100 metres". This is exactly the point. He will never be the best but if he deeicates himself he could well get closer and closer and maybe become a profesional runner, Bolt has some talent yes so he might never be the best but he could sure be very good.
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AlbertEinstein wrote

dicd wrote...



I am satisfied with my progress here.

I got you to admit that you are exactly what I called you out to be. Furthermore, you were quite unabashed in admitting it.

You went from defending your argument of him being a bad player who will perpetually stuck to defending your intelligence, your CS:GO playtime, and giving in and saying how toxic and egocentric you are.

Thanks for the fun time! I enjoyed myself.

P.S. I will take you up on that PM suggestion. If you had done a little more research on me than just my name, you would have seen that my entire clan on this server is dedicated to real-life accomplishments.
The only person in your clan that I recognise is Zaptelus, which is because he said I was smart on my thread arguing why BuildUHC needs a lower arrow quantity. I'll shoot you some PMs!
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Before i play pot pvp i was gold 1 build

After i played pot pvp i got emerald 1.
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Deov wrote

So I've gotten to Gold III before 750 points and it was because I bow spammed. I suck at melee in my opinion. Even though I can beat a lot of Gold III's in melee. I wanna be able to beat better ranks too like Emeralds and stuff. Sucks a lot imo that I have to die to Silvers though just because I'm bad at melee. I bow spam mostly and water bucket, I also lava spam. But I can't be good at melee for some odd reason no matter how fast I click "9 to 12 Cps" and no matter how good I strafe or W tap. So I'm just a bow spamming loser who only got to Gold III once from bow spamming my ass off. Meanwhile people like Tylarzz got to Masters while only doing melee mostly. And almost no bow at all except for kill shots or a little bit. And I have to bow spam a whole damn round just to win against Silvers too sometimes. HOW?! I doubt anyone here knows the answer unless they are some what good at PvP. Or there a Diamond rank player who doesn't bow spam.


You obviously aren't good at strafing, for example my max cps is 7 and I pretty much only melee.

I recommend uninstalling minecraft
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SuperNeil64 wrote

dicd wrote...


LOL.It's kinda sad when you have to prove how smart you are by listing your "achievements" on a Minecraft forum. This is literally the same thing as if you tell someone they have no friends and they start listing friends. Hahahahahhaha


Uninstall google chrome please
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Shuhrat wrote

SuperNeil64 wrote...



Uninstall google chrome please


Uninstall Windows XP.
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One way to find out
@DANTEH
@Tylarzz
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Deov wrote

I've gotten up to Gold II recently if you want you can check but I still don't think I'm as good at melee as I should be and that's why I made this thread because all of the Emerald fucks are raping me constantly when I fight them

Ok look if you want to become better at melee in general, BuildUHC is not the ladder to practice on, try gapple or nodebuff or anything else without a rod or bow
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AlbertEinstein wrote

Haha. Quite the change in demeanor when you're challenged! It's all right; I'll play along.

You had quite a lot to say here, so I'll break it down point by point for you.

dicd wrote...



Nice introduction with a "big" word! At this point, I knew it was going to be a fun response, since no one talks like that in real life (inb4: ye dis shud not be big word 2 u hahA!! or only da smart ppl lyk me talk lyk dis so u aint vury smart hahA!!–but guess what! You didn't even use capital letters in your first post, so don't try that one! You're trying to sound smart! follow-up inb4: ya man i do not want to typ good in block game all da tym u looser! – My response: haha).

dicd wrote...



How did I have the inkling that you're a CS:GO player? I don't play it myself, but it seems that the crankiest of MC players are often CS:GO players as well.

I'm pretty sure the point in making this thread is to ask opinions from other people on how to get better. Apparently a good reference point for skill level is the two listed individuals, whom I personally have never heard of (I don't keep up with "famous" MC PVPers). This poor guy just wants to improve his in-game abilities, and your response is along the lines of "You're bad at the game, and you'll never be better." That's in no way constructive.

It must be really disheartening to try all those different techniques and STILL not come out on top. Hell, the guy's paid 75 dollars for the Lion rank, so if I were him, it better be worth my time.

You're going about this in a rather toxic manner. But hey, man, I get it. It's cool to come on here and say how bad others are at the game. They'll never be at your level, man. It's a sin to come on here and ask how to get better when dicd is here, since you'll never be as good as dicd.

Sarcasm aside, I truly think that your ego has gotten to the point where if someone else wants to get better and better than you, you have to tear them down and call them bad and make them feel bad about it. Moreover, I think you just like calling people bad.

And is he really that terrible if his Build UHC rank is higher than yours, O PVP wise man?

dicd wrote...



Ad hominem! This boy's getting really defensive now!

You can rest assured that I don't have any desire to be like you.

dicd wrote...



I don't see how you can make any remarks on his potential. The only people who say garbage like this are the bad guys in movies who are always proven wrong by an outstanding protagonist who beats all the odds.

"You'll never be good, kid. It doesn't matter how much you practice! It doesn't matter how much you try! You'll forever suck! Hahaha!"

The above quote is something people generally don't say, unless their intention is to be rude and discouraging.

It's amazing you have this mentality. Actually, no, it's not.

dicd wrote...



Oh, you sure got me by calling my analogy "little."

dicd wrote...



Yikes, again with the potential thing.

dicd wrote...



Yeah, that person can never lose weight! He'll never go on a diet and move towards a healthy lifestyle! And even if he did lose the weight, he certainly cannot run at that point!

dicd wrote...



At the end of the day, the OP just wants to get better, and he made a post asking how. You came here and said he sucks and forever will suck, and as a result, he's an idiot for having the audacity to come on here and ask the community how to improve.

I, unlike you, think that this is a fair post. He may not become as good as these players, but at least he has the ambition to become as good as them. And usually with ambition comes results, though maybe not as dramatic as he would have hoped. I think it's highly unfair and unfounded to say that he'll never improve, and that he'll forever suck.

You clearly have a PVP ego, and hey, that's fine. But coming on here and haranguing this guy for asking a simple question is pretty ridiculous, and it goes to show just how overly competitive and toxic you are.

I hear the word "sweaty" being thrown around a lot, and honestly, I've never actually used the word. But I would be very sincere in saying that this word appropriately describes you.


I remember when I took mc seriously XDDXDDD
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Danteh wrote

AlbertEinstein wrote...



I remember when I took mc seriously XDDXDDD
Wait aren't you going to take it seriously when Premium comes out?
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