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Why Minecraft as an E-sport needs some change
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TheKiwiColonel wrote

Msging wrote...

I doubt badlion premium will be able to ban autoclicking, you don't even need minecraft mods to do it. You can just use razer synapse, which is nothing that badlion premium could touch. Even if they decided to ban razer synapse, that would cause a lot of controversy, and people using autoclick will just find another program. It can't really be stopped, unless the software can tell between a direct mouse click input and a software input that does the same thing, but it's very unlikely you could block all of it (I believe)


http://image.prntscr.com/image/6f3e2acb43e9471c81537a65f05a9ec5.png ??
You understand that BAC checks background processes and such and would definitely be able to determine if a program or application or even anything external would be clicking for you right?
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Autoclicking makes the game alot easier and it will just remove so much skill. It will just be to easy to get good. The hard part of this game is clicking while still having good aim and timing.

I am jitter clicking for like 1-2 years and it just hurts at the begining when you're starting to learn it , after that its just normal and your hand gets used to it and you will stop feeling pain after a while. If it still hurts you , you could always find different ways of clicking or holding your mouse. However I tought about a sepparate unranked ladder where everyone will be able to autoclick (with a built in client autoclicker set at a constant speed) just for practice purposes since it may help your aim/timing by focusing more on mouse movement and timing rather than clicking.

As for the strategy part , i completly agree. Badlion needs to make a game mode that is interesting to watch for new players since pure fighting might get boring to watch at some point. Im pretty sure OCN game modes will solve this and they have more unreleased game modes to MC planned.
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I just got stage 3 cancer from this post.

What the actual fuck @00000000000E, you come back after 2 years of leaving and I am seeing nothing but stupidity spew out of your mouth.
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MasterGberry wrote

I just got stage 3 cancer from this post.

What the actual fuck @00000000000E, you come back after 2 years of leaving and I am seeing nothing but stupidity spew out of your mouth.



THANK YOU
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TheKiwiColonel wrote

tl;dr: The fundamental flaw with Minecraft PVP being competitive, is that people will gradually get health issues from doing too much clicking. meaning they either continue, or use a pretty undetectable autoclicker to solve their issue and continue. Meaning some people get advantages that others don't - meaning legit players will unlikely ever get to the top. Also viewers will get bored if the esport has no strategy and is just fighting. Csgo is interesting because of the variety that the strategy provides, and therefore the viewership retention/maintenance. Badlion will need strategy combined with skill to maintain a viewer base imo.


This situation is just as bad/even worse for League, CS:GO, and Smash players, and they're perfecly fine if they manage themselves properly. If you knew just how hard Koreans try to improve in League for instance you'd realize what you claimed here looks like a cake walk in comparison.

Minecraft as an eSport is limited by its lack of ability to appeal to people outside the community as having any eSport potential or being profitable in the long run, having ESL's support is one thing but not having Mojang's full backing is another. That's what limits it right now, not the amount of times a player can click.

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UHC's doesn't require much clicking, that should be the competition instead of just boring 1v1s. UHC Takes a lot more skill than just clicking, as there are many strategies to it. They could go through by process of eliminations (When every 10 dies they keep on going till 100 players are left etc.)
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wha
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Allowing an autoclicker won't solve the issue at all. Basically what you are saying is that clicking too much will fuck up your hand, but at the same time staring at the fucking screen for 8 hours a day will fuck up your eyes?

Removing a simple aspect of the game will not help anyone and will make the game soo boring! When you remove clicking then what? You just have to aim and do other shit like w tapping and right clicking potions.

This will not attract players!

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Pikqchu wrote

MasterGberry wrote...



No need to say you got cancer, it's unneccessary. It makes people (including easily impressionable kids on the forums) think about cancer less seriously and more of a joke. It's like saying "you made me want to kill myself"..
Also in regards to this post, didn't Archy get serious trouble with his hand after repetitive clicking too? I think he said that himself somewhere..


Nice language policing.
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There are several games with higher APM than MC that are more straining on the hands and fingers, and the players are fine for the most part (SSBM to be specific). The main key to preventing RSI and other hand pains from occurring is stretching, and also taking breaks. Here's a good video on it:



Of course some people will still have hand pains, but I don't think it will be a major obstacle in making this game larger competitively, be it directly from the hand pains, or indirectly from making people turn to cheating.

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TheKiwiColonel wrote


"Administrators" is a user not a tag, and this is way beyond the pay grade of a senior. You'd have to talk to archy and gberry, and it seems like gberry made his point of view pretty clear.

Hamatito wrote

If you get any from of hand injury from clicking a mouse then that's your problem for lack of exercise… I've been playing this game for 3 years and had no hand pain. Allowing autoclickers is a rather peculiar and ridiculous suggestion that would never be accepted purely because of the fact that autoclickers give an extreme advantage against someone who doesn't use it. To debunk your statement about permanent injury, it has been proven that jitterclicking is unrelated to carpel tunnel syndrome, too lazy to find the sources

Exactly - there's nothing to link the two, and a very small portion of the overall playerbase suffers from issues.

BeFour6 wrote

Also when you are clicking really fast and trying really hard you are tensing up your whole body, which is very unhealthy.

I don't know how you pvp, but when I jitter I relax the rest of my body so that I can aim better.
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Vykz wrote

Badlion premium BAC detects pretty much anything down to the core when it comes to clients and autoclicking. So no, autoclicking is NOT possible with BAC. Trust me on that.

I mean you can go ahead and try, but all you're doing is earning yourself a 1 yr HWID + IP ban. However, if people don't want to jitter click, butterfly clicking I believe is going to be allowed on Badlion Premium.


gberry said somewhere that butterfly clicking still will not be allowed on premium sadly

i would like for this to change on premium
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Verillium wrote

Chocqlate wrote...


you're using your forearm, not your fingers


I think it depends on how people click because my fingers hurt way more than forearm lol
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Chocqlate wrote

Verillium wrote...



I think it depends on how people click because my fingers hurt way more than forearm lol

b/c your forearms are meant to do work, your fingers aren't as much
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OCN gamemodes are not clicky and require more strategy than your average pvp gamemodes. If badlion implement those gamemodes (I remember archy said there were already devs working on it), minecraft can be an actual enjoyable esports imo. The skillcap of OCN gamemodes are really high too.
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You don't need to jitter to click high CPS i never jittered and i still get 9 cps constant I mean it's not that good but its enough if you look at this

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https://www.badlion.net/profile/user/legendcaleb 6 CPS
https://www.badlion.net/profile/user/QDMEMBERKIKZO 7-8 CPS
https://www.badlion.net/profile/user/Saevar2000 7 CPS
https://www.badlion.net/profile/user/AbyKhan 6 CPS (and 120+ ms)
https://www.badlion.net/profile/user/GoodEnchant 7-8 CPS

I know where you're coming from, and high CPS does help, but it's not EXTREMELY necessary to have high CPS when you have good aim
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this thread got m prego for some eggo
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